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color=#0000ff size=2>So catching up on this thread, in order so haven't read it
all, but I don't think Greg and Dmitry are referring to the IP being free.
Rather the cost of the i-name registration. I think the reason this is
called out, versus a domain registration fee, is that i-names are a new
technology unlike URLs which are quite established as being a key part of
Internet infrastructure. :)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>--David</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> general-bounces@openid.net
[mailto:general-bounces@openid.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Kaliya *<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Monday, January 01, 2007 2:24 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Dmitry Shechtman<BR><B>Cc:</B>
general@openid.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OpenID] why is xri so
obtuse?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>One of the things I am working on this week writing up some community
history.<BR><BR>What does free mean? In the context of open standards this is a
valid question. Originally the IP that is in XRI was all tied up and
owned by a company. It was working on bringing it to market....at a
meeting attended by internet notables about it....basically they said this is
great but it will NEVER work if you own the IP no one will adopt it.
<BR><BR>So the company did the right thing and turned over all the IP to a
nonprofit to be held for the public good - <A href="http://XDI.ORG">XDI.ORG</A>
(it was originally XNSORG). <BR><BR>It was clear that a name space was a
critical element of this technology - - this would have to be run by
someone. This is what this company does now...It runs a global registry
for the namespace. People are not howling wildly that OpenID is based on
domain names that you must pay a yearly fee for. Both are world wide
infrastructure that needs to work otherwise the web doesn't work. Money needs to
come from somewhere to pay for it and registration of names is one place to do
that. (Yes I have heard from my anarchist geek friends about how in
theory it would be possible to do addressing in ways without a central
root). <BR><BR>The XRI/XDI community is small but vibrant and
working really hard to develop open source code that folks can use to do all
sorts of stuff. It has a range of folks participating in it
including domain registrars from around the world, Boeing, Higgins project,
small starups. The community that founded the first Identity Commons had
extensive connection to the i-names technology because at the time...3-4 years
ago it was the only user-centric game in town. <BR><BR>In terms of the including
of XRI's in OpenID. .. I already said it before in this thread there was 3
different valid approaches for distributed user-centric identity that were all
going to go to market and compete...imagine if there was 3 different login boxes
that were proliferating....you all wouldn't be here adopting the one thing that
everyone worked hard on for a year to get convergence (The 4th approach even
joined our efforts in the summer). There is momentum behind
what is now branded OpenID2 because all these different efforts
collaborated. <BR><BR>We had a period where we considered a different like
Yaids or a name to be determined...it was decided that we not move away from the
most unrecognizable brand but update it to a version 2. <BR><BR>I am happy to
answer any more questions about how we got here or why things are the way they
are. I have been working in this little niche for almost three years full
time. Some folks like Drummond have been working on brining about this
sort of technology for 15 years. There are 'really simple' easy ways
to do things - how OpenID started out. There are ways to deal with more complex
use-cases and business needs too. Having a balance and supporting things
working together is what this is about. <BR><BR>Just so it is not a
surprise the OpenID folks are talking to the SAML folks about how those two
standards can work well together. <BR><BR>=Kaliya <BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 1/1/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Dmitry
Shechtman</B> <<A href="mailto:damnian@gmail.com">damnian@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">I
just realized that I missed a spot. The "kind suggestion" refers to a
part<BR>from Victor's response he had chosen to omit for some
reason:<BR><BR>> I'd be willing to test your application with my i-name
when you're ready, <BR>if that
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