[OpenID] OpenID license

Melvin Carvalho melvincarvalho at gmail.com
Thu Jul 22 00:39:30 UTC 2010 

On 22 July 2010 00:59, David Recordon <recordond at gmail.com> wrote:

> To be clear, every contributor to these specifications signed an IPR
> agreement which covered both copyright and patent rights. This non-assertion
> statement can be found on pages five and six of
> http://openid.net/ipr/OpenID_IPR_Policy_(Final_Clean_20071221).pdf<http://openid.net/ipr/OpenID_IPR_Policy_%28Final_Clean_20071221%29.pdf>
> .
>
> A longer reply once I've resurrected http://openid.net/ipr/ so that you
> can read many of the original signed agreements.
>

Thanks!

Would I be right to say the only condition that a contributor will assert a
patent, is if someone else first asserts one against them?


>
> --David
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:51 PM, John Bradley <ve7jtb at ve7jtb.com> wrote:
>
>> Copyright on the spec won't protect you from patent assertions by people
>> who are not party to the IPR agreements.
>>
>> The two issues are quite separate.  Unless you intend to republish the
>> specification itself I doubt that copyright enter into it.
>>
>> We should however address the issue.
>>
>> John B.
>> On 2010-07-21, at 6:40 PM, Nathan wrote:
>>
>> > To be honest, after reading that license snippet and the agreements I'm
>> now more concerned than ever.
>> >
>> > What I read is that there could be a load of undisclosed patents on
>> these specifications, and that by implementing the specifications I could at
>> some point be sued or chased for royalties.
>> >
>> > [1] scares the hell out of me, and the chunk of text which basically
>> reads 'we can all sue, and if you sue, I might too' does very very very
>> little to make me feel any better about that.
>> >
>> > So, what I'm looking for here is to see the 'CC Attribution Share Alike'
>> license (or well known equivalent) on the OpenID specifications, (and if
>> needed to cover *my* ass legally, patent disclosures, royalty free
>> assertions and all related) - can and will you do this, yes or no.
>> >
>> > Pease, just a simple yes or no, and if yes, when.
>> >
>> > If not, I for one simply can't take the risk of implementing them.
>> >
>> > [1] 'Patent Disclosures. There is no requirement or expectation by
>> others that Contributor should disclose patents or patent applications that
>> Contributor has reason to believe may contain Necessary Claims. OIDF hereby
>> disclaims any responsibility for identifying the existence, or for
>> evaluating the applicability, of any patents, patent applications, or other
>> rights (including copyrights) claimed to be applicable to any Specification
>> and will take no position on the validity or scope of any such rights.'
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Nathan
>> >
>> > David Recordon wrote:
>> >> The IPR policy includes a copyright license for them. I don't think
>> that we
>> >> have determined the exact text which should be included in the
>> >> specifications. The Open Web Foundation provides guidance for their
>> license
>> >> at
>> >>
>> http://wiki.openwebfoundation.org/How_to_use_the_agreement#What_To_Include_In_The_Specification_Itself
>> .
>> >> We should use a version of that which matches the OpenID IPR policy.
>> >> I'd like to see us just move to the OWF IPR policy which would help to
>> >> address these sorts of issues in the future as well.
>> >> --David
>> >> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Nat Sakimura <sakimura at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> Actually, I have asked the same thing long time ago when we started
>> >>> translation project at OIDF-J since it was a blocking issue. We should
>> >>> fix it ASAP, but that means OIDF needs to decide on what Copyright
>> >>> license.
>> >>>
>> >>> =nat
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Chris Messina <
>> chris.messina at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> It seems worth clarifying this situation -- if only because I was
>> >>> personally surprised to not see a clear license on the docs themselves
>> >>> (copyright, specifically).
>> >>>> Any reason why we haven't taken 10 minutes to make that change?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Nathan -- are you blocked by not having a clear [copyright] license
>> on
>> >>> the specs?
>> >>>> Chris
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Jul 21, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Nat Sakimura <sakimura at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Apparently, it is full3978. It is written in the spec XML.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Having said that, I prefer to have additional license such as CC.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Also note that all the wiki contents are  under GNU Free
>> Documentation
>> >>> License.
>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Nathan <nathan at webr3.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Hi David,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks for the link, I actually checked that before I sent the mail
>> >>>>>> yesterday, and I'm familiar with the patent non assert agreement.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> However, really, where's the license? I've tried looking everywhere
>> and
>> >>> the
>> >>>>>> best I can find is this thread from 2 years ago:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/dataportability-public/browse_thread/thread/86a0351f525a53d9
>> >>>>>> which explains things better, but still that thread ends with:
>> >>>>>> 'It would take all of 10 minutes for the OpenID foundation to say
>> "this
>> >>>>>> spec is at-the-least copyright us and redistributable under the CC
>> >>>>>> Share-Alike License" and drop that license onto the specs and on
>> the
>> >>>>>> site's IP policies page -- which I'm hoping they finally do.'
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> He's right, it would take all of 10 minutes, certainly not 2 years
>> - so
>> >>>>>> where is the license - what's stopping this from happening? I
>> *really*
>> >>> don't
>> >>>>>> follow here.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> aside: on the intellectual property page you have 'These documents
>> are
>> >>>>>> listed below as well as available here.' But there's no list below
>> and
>> >>> the
>> >>>>>> 'here' link returns a 'You don't have permission to access /ipr/ on
>> >>> this
>> >>>>>> server.'
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Best,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Nathan
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> David Recordon wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Hi Nathan, you can find the OpenID Foundation's IPR policy at
>> >>>>>>> http://openid.net/intellectual-property/. All of the contributors
>> to
>> >>> those
>> >>>>>>> specifications signed non-assertion agreements.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --David
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Nathan <nathan at webr3.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I'm trying to find what license the following spec's are released
>> >>> under:
>> >>>>>>>> OpenID Authentication 2.0
>> >>>>>>>> OpenID Attribute Exchange 1.0
>> >>>>>>>> OpenID Provider Authentication Policy Extension 1.0
>> >>>>>>>> OpenID Authentication 1.1
>> >>>>>>>> OpenID Simple Registration Extension 1.0
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I've searched them all for any mention of license, patent,
>> royalty
>> >>> and
>> >>>>>>>> similar and found nothing at all?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Are the spec's and technologies all completely public domain, if
>> not
>> >>>>>>>> which
>> >>>>>>>> license(s) are they covered by?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Nathan
>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>>> general mailing list
>> >>>>>>>> general at lists.openid.net
>> >>>>>>>> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general
>> >>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>> general at lists.openid.net
>> >>>>>> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
>> >>>>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
>> >>>>> http://twitter.com/_nat_en
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
>> >>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
>> >>> http://twitter.com/_nat_en
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