[OpenID] OpenID license

Wed Jul 21 22:59:45 UTC 2010

To be clear, every contributor to these specifications signed an IPR
agreement which covered both copyright and patent rights. This non-assertion
statement can be found on pages five and six of
http://openid.net/ipr/OpenID_IPR_Policy_(Final_Clean_20071221).pdf.

A longer reply once I've resurrected http://openid.net/ipr/ so that you can
read many of the original signed agreements.

--David

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:51 PM, John Bradley <ve7jtb at ve7jtb.com> wrote:

> Copyright on the spec won't protect you from patent assertions by people
> who are not party to the IPR agreements.
>
> The two issues are quite separate.  Unless you intend to republish the
> specification itself I doubt that copyright enter into it.
>
> We should however address the issue.
>
> John B.
> On 2010-07-21, at 6:40 PM, Nathan wrote:
>
> > To be honest, after reading that license snippet and the agreements I'm
> now more concerned than ever.
> >
> > What I read is that there could be a load of undisclosed patents on these
> specifications, and that by implementing the specifications I could at some
> point be sued or chased for royalties.
> >
> > [1] scares the hell out of me, and the chunk of text which basically
> reads 'we can all sue, and if you sue, I might too' does very very very
> little to make me feel any better about that.
> >
> > So, what I'm looking for here is to see the 'CC Attribution Share Alike'
> license (or well known equivalent) on the OpenID specifications, (and if
> needed to cover *my* ass legally, patent disclosures, royalty free
> assertions and all related) - can and will you do this, yes or no.
> >
> > Pease, just a simple yes or no, and if yes, when.
> >
> > If not, I for one simply can't take the risk of implementing them.
> >
> > [1] 'Patent Disclosures. There is no requirement or expectation by others
> that Contributor should disclose patents or patent applications that
> Contributor has reason to believe may contain Necessary Claims. OIDF hereby
> disclaims any responsibility for identifying the existence, or for
> evaluating the applicability, of any patents, patent applications, or other
> rights (including copyrights) claimed to be applicable to any Specification
> and will take no position on the validity or scope of any such rights.'
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> > David Recordon wrote:
> >> The IPR policy includes a copyright license for them. I don't think that
> we
> >> have determined the exact text which should be included in the
> >> specifications. The Open Web Foundation provides guidance for their
> license
> >> at
> >>
> http://wiki.openwebfoundation.org/How_to_use_the_agreement#What_To_Include_In_The_Specification_Itself
> .
> >> We should use a version of that which matches the OpenID IPR policy.
> >> I'd like to see us just move to the OWF IPR policy which would help to
> >> address these sorts of issues in the future as well.
> >> --David
> >> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Nat Sakimura <sakimura at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> Actually, I have asked the same thing long time ago when we started
> >>> translation project at OIDF-J since it was a blocking issue. We should
> >>> fix it ASAP, but that means OIDF needs to decide on what Copyright
> >>> license.
> >>>
> >>> =nat
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Chris Messina <
> chris.messina at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> It seems worth clarifying this situation -- if only because I was
> >>> personally surprised to not see a clear license on the docs themselves
> >>> (copyright, specifically).
> >>>> Any reason why we haven't taken 10 minutes to make that change?
> >>>>
> >>>> Nathan -- are you blocked by not having a clear [copyright] license on
> >>> the specs?
> >>>> Chris
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 21, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Nat Sakimura <sakimura at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Apparently, it is full3978. It is written in the spec XML.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Having said that, I prefer to have additional license such as CC.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also note that all the wiki contents are  under GNU Free
> Documentation
> >>> License.
> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Nathan <nathan at webr3.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi David,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for the link, I actually checked that before I sent the mail
> >>>>>> yesterday, and I'm familiar with the patent non assert agreement.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> However, really, where's the license? I've tried looking everywhere
> and
> >>> the
> >>>>>> best I can find is this thread from 2 years ago:
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/dataportability-public/browse_thread/thread/86a0351f525a53d9
> >>>>>> which explains things better, but still that thread ends with:
> >>>>>> 'It would take all of 10 minutes for the OpenID foundation to say
> "this
> >>>>>> spec is at-the-least copyright us and redistributable under the CC
> >>>>>> Share-Alike License" and drop that license onto the specs and on the
> >>>>>> site's IP policies page -- which I'm hoping they finally do.'
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> He's right, it would take all of 10 minutes, certainly not 2 years -
> so
> >>>>>> where is the license - what's stopping this from happening? I
> *really*
> >>> don't
> >>>>>> follow here.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> aside: on the intellectual property page you have 'These documents
> are
> >>>>>> listed below as well as available here.' But there's no list below
> and
> >>> the
> >>>>>> 'here' link returns a 'You don't have permission to access /ipr/ on
> >>> this
> >>>>>> server.'
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nathan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> David Recordon wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi Nathan, you can find the OpenID Foundation's IPR policy at
> >>>>>>> http://openid.net/intellectual-property/. All of the contributors
> to
> >>> those
> >>>>>>> specifications signed non-assertion agreements.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --David
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Nathan <nathan at webr3.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm trying to find what license the following spec's are released
> >>> under:
> >>>>>>>> OpenID Authentication 2.0
> >>>>>>>> OpenID Attribute Exchange 1.0
> >>>>>>>> OpenID Provider Authentication Policy Extension 1.0
> >>>>>>>> OpenID Authentication 1.1
> >>>>>>>> OpenID Simple Registration Extension 1.0
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've searched them all for any mention of license, patent, royalty
> >>> and
> >>>>>>>> similar and found nothing at all?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Are the spec's and technologies all completely public domain, if
> not
> >>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>> license(s) are they covered by?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Nathan
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> general mailing list
> >>>>>>>> general at lists.openid.net
> >>>>>>>> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>> general at lists.openid.net
> >>>>>> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
> >>>>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
> >>>>> http://twitter.com/_nat_en
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> general mailing list
> >>>>> general at lists.openid.net
> >>>>> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
> >>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
> >>> http://twitter.com/_nat_en
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