[OpenID] Clippinger and the Berkman Center

[Peter Williams]

"Identity2.0" dated back to at least 2005.



http://www.equalsdrummond.name/?p=7



"user centric" claimed for 2004:



"Saving the World with User-centric Identity.



I am a community leader and have been working on open standards for user-centric identity since 2004." http://www.identitywoman.net/



http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3280.txt (2002)



profiles URI for naming identity certs, from ISO standard (from 1996..!)





URIs/URLs are cool for B2C authorization (not identity, note).



[December 01, 2000] "Security Services Markup Language (S2ML). VeriSign XML Trust Services. VeriSign S2ML White Paper. 9 pages. Fall 2000." http://xml.coverpages.org/verisign-s2ml_wp.pdf



Hallam-Baker addressing, reportedly in 1994 from CERN, addressing what (I think) identity2.0 folks would call UCI.
"We have two options either we can attempt to define wonderful academic forms of trust model de novo. Or we can observe the real world and attempt to model the trust mechanisms that allow it to function. Since we do not see a hierarchical trust model it is not the solution. We do not see anarchy either, or at least in places where it has taken hold it is disaster. What we see is binary interpersonal relationships heavily qualified in manyways. The approach that has always seemed most promising to me is to replicate those relationships allowing them full colour with respect to the areas for which trust is granted (finacial, notarial, reliability etc), the extent of such trust and the confidence with which that trust is allowed." (SIC) [13]<http://mcwg.org/mcg-mirror/trustdef.htm#[13]>

http://mcwg.org/mcg-mirror/trustdef.htm#[13]



The Foundation has focused and done its assigned job - get relying parties. With USG as a relying party, lots of corporations will follow (given the endorsement). NOTHING should be taken away from that immense achievement (especially given the sheer array of hurdles that were thrown in the path of the openid "upstart"). But, it would be nice occasionally if openid could drop the heavy media-spin about its uniqueness and originality once in a while, and admit it's part of a long, long tradition.



-----Original Message-----
From: openid-general-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:openid-general-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Dave Kearns
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:00 PM
To: Brian Hamlin; openid-general at lists.openid.net
Subject: Re: [OpenID] Clippinger and the Berkman Center



John was probably thinking of The Berkman Conference on User Centric

Identity and Commerce (June 19-21, 2006). Being an old codger like myself,

he may have thought it was the cause of IIW (2006A was only a few weeks

before that conference, and the first to use that name, I think), rather

than (as I remember) being a result of the first meeting at Cal. Berkman

(via Paul Trevithick and the Higgins Project) was well represented at the

original meeting in Berkeley in late 2005, though.



-dave







> -----Original Message-----

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> [mailto:openid-general-bounces at lists.openid.net]On Behalf Of Brian

> Hamlin

> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:51 PM

> To: openid-general at lists.openid.net

> Subject: [OpenID] Clippinger and the Berkman Center

>

>

> Did John Clippinger stand on stage at Gov 2.0 this week and claim that

> *he* and the Berkman center organized the Internet identity community,

> leading to OpenID, among other things ??

>

> Did Mr. Clippinger neglect to give due credit to the Internet Identity

> Workshop, the first occurrence of which was held in Berkeley,

> California ?

>

> Without being present, this appears to me to be an outrageous attempt

> at institutionally backed grand standing, ignoring real grass roots

> organizing, attempting to re-write history and take credit for the

> enormous undertaking that has become OpenID.

>

>    -Brian M Hamlin

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