[OpenID] Open Challenge to webfinger and XRD

Mon Oct 19 22:00:06 UTC 2009

Hi John,Let me get this strait here. I am unable to participate in the OASIS
discussions because I haven't figured the process yet. And in any case all
this has a bearing on OpenID, (it is the no 1 use case).
What you are saying is
1) The host-meta will (MUST) have a <Subject> Element which will be the
domain URL of the host. There will be no <Host> element instead.
2) (This is not something you have said explicitly) . All XRD's including
host-meta "MUST" have "1" <Subject> element as an immediate child element of
the XRD Root whose value is a URI describing the subject of the XRD.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:04 AM, John Bradley <ve7jtb at ve7jtb.com> wrote:

> Santosh,
>
> That was a thread on the use of signing elements in <Link> elements.
>
> Dirk's use of <Host> in his example XRD is not valid XRD syntax.
>
> It wasn't commented on because it was not the topic of the email thread.
>
> If you have comments on the XRD spec.
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34724/xrd-1.0-wd09.html
>
> You are welcome to submit them through the formal process.
>
> Regards
> John Bradley
>
> On 2009-10-19, at 5:51 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote:
>
>
>> Hi John,
>> The last time I saw an example of an XRD host-meta is here on 15th Oct
>> here
>> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xri/200910/msg00055.html
>>
>> It has a <Host> instead of <Subject>. If you are saying that it is not
>> part
>> of the XRD spec and it is part of the host-meta spec, it still doesnt
>> change
>> my argument. As an end-user of the the discovery mechanism the effect is
>> still the same for me.
>>
>> You say you have a hard time following me! Isn't it a case of the pot
>> calling the kettle black? How many people are going to follow what you
>> have
>> said bellow. I will only quote one sentence you have written and ignore
>> the
>> rest.
>>
>> "The Subject of a XRD is the <Subject> of the XRD there can be 0 or 1
>> in an XRD."
>>
>> That is exactly what you said. Now tell me how can there be a "0"
>> <Subject>
>> for an XRD. What meaning does an XRD have with "0" <Subject>?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Bradley-9 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Santosh,
>>>
>>> I am having a hard time following your point.
>>>
>>> This is the current draft of the XRD spec.
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34724/xrd-1.0-wd09.html
>>>
>>> There is no <Host>  element in the spec.
>>>
>>> The Subject of a XRD is the <Subject> of the XRD there can be 0 or 1
>>> in an XRD.
>>>
>>> HostMeta is a spec that uses the OASIS XRD spec.
>>>
>>> I know that they want to have what is essentially an abstract Subject.
>>>
>>> ie one that is about the host and not the URI.
>>>
>>> This is a URL problem and not an XRI one.
>>>
>>> Any number of wars have been fought over how to represent non-
>>> information resources with URI.
>>>
>>> We did give the group working on host-meta as a itef spec some options
>>> on how they might do that.
>>>
>>> Using the DNS scheme or a URI fragment are all possibilities.  I don't
>>> know if they have come to a conclusion.   Whatever they decide someone
>>> will be unhappy if history is anything to go by on this topic.
>>>
>>> There is a public review period for XRD coming up and a process for
>>> you to make formal submissions if you want to have input but not join
>>> the TC.
>>>
>>> John B.
>>>
>>> On 2009-10-19, at 3:27 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is an Open Challenge i am sending to the webfinger, XRD forums.
>>>> These
>>>> guys really think I am an Idiot. "Maybe I am". "BUT I AM NOT GOING
>>>> DOWN
>>>> WITHOUT A FIGHT".
>>>>
>>>> Really, I really don't know. Let us hear the arguments they give.
>>>> Maybe i am
>>>> a brainless stupid, that is why i feel all of them are hollow. But
>>>> let them
>>>> prove I am stupid. "IF THEY CAN", IF they can, we will hand it to
>>>> them, "THE
>>>> IDENTITY OSCAR".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,I know you guys don't like to hear from me. I have been told
>>>> so much.
>>>> By your moderators. That people on this forum are not "Happy" to
>>>> hear from
>>>> me.
>>>> Like it or "NOT" you are going to hear from me. I am not sure if
>>>> this post
>>>> of mine will be allowed to be published. But let us see.
>>>> I have so many grouses with "XRD" and today I am going to start with
>>>> my
>>>> first grouse. Since WebFinger by definition is going to follow XRD,
>>>> don't
>>>> argue with me about webfinger. Lets talk about XRD to start with me.
>>>> I am throwing a challenge to all the XRD guys. Prove to me that the
>>>> <Subject> of an XRD host-meta document has to be <Host> instead of
>>>> <Subject>. If you "smart" guys can prove this to me, I will agree
>>>> that "I am
>>>> a complete Idiot". If "NOT" all of you web fingerer's and XRD's are
>>>> Idiots!!!!
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>>
>>>> Santosh Rajan
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