[OpenID] Open Challenge to webfinger and XRD

Mon Oct 19 21:34:08 UTC 2009

Santosh,

That was a thread on the use of signing elements in <Link> elements.

Dirk's use of <Host> in his example XRD is not valid XRD syntax.

It wasn't commented on because it was not the topic of the email thread.

If you have comments on the XRD spec.
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34724/xrd-1.0-wd09.html

You are welcome to submit them through the formal process.

Regards
John Bradley

On 2009-10-19, at 5:51 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote:

>
> Hi John,
> The last time I saw an example of an XRD host-meta is here on 15th  
> Oct here
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xri/200910/msg00055.html
>
> It has a <Host> instead of <Subject>. If you are saying that it is  
> not part
> of the XRD spec and it is part of the host-meta spec, it still  
> doesnt change
> my argument. As an end-user of the the discovery mechanism the  
> effect is
> still the same for me.
>
> You say you have a hard time following me! Isn't it a case of the pot
> calling the kettle black? How many people are going to follow what  
> you have
> said bellow. I will only quote one sentence you have written and  
> ignore the
> rest.
>
> "The Subject of a XRD is the <Subject> of the XRD there can be 0 or 1
> in an XRD."
>
> That is exactly what you said. Now tell me how can there be a "0"  
> <Subject>
> for an XRD. What meaning does an XRD have with "0" <Subject>?
>
>
>
> John Bradley-9 wrote:
>>
>> Hi Santosh,
>>
>> I am having a hard time following your point.
>>
>> This is the current draft of the XRD spec.
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34724/xrd-1.0-wd09.html
>>
>> There is no <Host>  element in the spec.
>>
>> The Subject of a XRD is the <Subject> of the XRD there can be 0 or 1
>> in an XRD.
>>
>> HostMeta is a spec that uses the OASIS XRD spec.
>>
>> I know that they want to have what is essentially an abstract  
>> Subject.
>>
>> ie one that is about the host and not the URI.
>>
>> This is a URL problem and not an XRI one.
>>
>> Any number of wars have been fought over how to represent non-
>> information resources with URI.
>>
>> We did give the group working on host-meta as a itef spec some  
>> options
>> on how they might do that.
>>
>> Using the DNS scheme or a URI fragment are all possibilities.  I  
>> don't
>> know if they have come to a conclusion.   Whatever they decide  
>> someone
>> will be unhappy if history is anything to go by on this topic.
>>
>> There is a public review period for XRD coming up and a process for
>> you to make formal submissions if you want to have input but not join
>> the TC.
>>
>> John B.
>>
>> On 2009-10-19, at 3:27 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This is an Open Challenge i am sending to the webfinger, XRD forums.
>>> These
>>> guys really think I am an Idiot. "Maybe I am". "BUT I AM NOT GOING
>>> DOWN
>>> WITHOUT A FIGHT".
>>>
>>> Really, I really don't know. Let us hear the arguments they give.
>>> Maybe i am
>>> a brainless stupid, that is why i feel all of them are hollow. But
>>> let them
>>> prove I am stupid. "IF THEY CAN", IF they can, we will hand it to
>>> them, "THE
>>> IDENTITY OSCAR".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,I know you guys don't like to hear from me. I have been told
>>> so much.
>>> By your moderators. That people on this forum are not "Happy" to
>>> hear from
>>> me.
>>> Like it or "NOT" you are going to hear from me. I am not sure if
>>> this post
>>> of mine will be allowed to be published. But let us see.
>>> I have so many grouses with "XRD" and today I am going to start with
>>> my
>>> first grouse. Since WebFinger by definition is going to follow XRD,
>>> don't
>>> argue with me about webfinger. Lets talk about XRD to start with me.
>>> I am throwing a challenge to all the XRD guys. Prove to me that the
>>> <Subject> of an XRD host-meta document has to be <Host> instead of
>>> <Subject>. If you "smart" guys can prove this to me, I will agree
>>> that "I am
>>> a complete Idiot". If "NOT" all of you web fingerer's and XRD's are
>>> Idiots!!!!
>>>
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