[OpenID] On the banning of Santosh

[Andrew Arnott]

 On 11/30/2009 04:50 AM, Dick Hardt:

>  I would propose that we adopt the Microformats policy except for #16 (and number them!), allow Santosh back on the list, apologize for banning him, and direct him at the new policy and ask that he (and others) comply.
>
>
> Eddy replied:

> Dick, myself am not famous for overly diplomatic tones sometimes, but
> calling somebody a stupid, idiotic, prejudiced human being, warrants some
> actions in my opinion. That the list should even apologize to the offender
> seems to me ridiculous. If the participants don't value themselves and their
> dignity, they deserve none.
>

+~1 to Eddy.  I don't think we should return injury for injury.  Everyone
should be treated with respect IMO.  But those who refuse to treat others
with respect don't need to be privileged by the community with a medium by
which their disrespect can be more easily transmitted.

Dick also said:

> I disagree with removing Santosh from the mail list. I prefer a fully
> inclusive community.


Wanting a fully inclusive community, but in which community personal attacks
are allowed, is a paradox IMO.  I think what we want here is a useful forum
in which many viewpoints on OpenID-related issues can be discussed.  We lose
that when personal attacks threaten to encourage respectful people with good
ideas to leave the mailing list.

Dick again:

> While I can empathize with the frustration of someone not being what we
> consider respectful,


I'll be bold enough to say it was *very *disrespectful.  To say merely that
"someone might not consider Santosh's comments to be respectful" is an
insult to those he flamed IMO.  This isn't really a correction to your
words, Dick, as it looks from context that you were speaking of the general
danger of this rather than this specific case.

I actually wasn't offended at Santosh's attack on me, because it was obvious
to me he spoke in the heat of the moment.  However if we really want this
"all inclusive *of ideas*" community, it's very important that people don't
attack others personally when they don't like the ideas that those others
are sharing.
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