[OpenID] Fwd: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID Foundation Europe

Wed Nov 25 16:54:18 UTC 2009

Hi David,

Do you have an argument for why it could be anything other than what I have
suggested? I thought it was not even worth mine or your time.

Thanks
Santosh

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:18 PM, David Recordon <recordond at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey Santosh,
> That's not a useful reply.  Do you have actual logical arguments to why you
> disagree with Chris?
>
> Thanks,
> --David
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> HOGWASH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Chris Messina <chris.messina at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> There are both structural as well as cultural issues here that cannot be
>>> merely ignored, or tilted at with the expectation of change.
>>>
>>> While I'm sympathetic to the idea of "One OpenID Foundation", in
>>> practice, geo-colocated groups tend to work together more in a more capable,
>>> agile manner, and have the benefit of understand local politics, priorities,
>>> and momentum.
>>>
>>> For example, while I won't suggest that the work being done with the US
>>> Federal Government represents the final answer when it comes to any
>>> government's adoption or use of the technology, I do think that the outcomes
>>> represent a more American approach to identity management (i.e. outsource it
>>> to private companies) than one that would, say, be popular in Europe.
>>>
>>> Therefore, in order to make progress, especially as this effort is still
>>> young, I would be interested in seeing parallel developments or
>>> implementations of the technology that reflect localized perspectives — in
>>> order to flesh out the various use cases and applications and limitations of
>>> what we have — rather than trying to assume that the OpenID 2.0 spec is
>>> complete (and I don't mean that it needs more features — but that it needs
>>> better documentation, better interaction models, and better use case
>>> descriptions, as well as more research into its use — technology is easy to
>>> create, it's harder to take it away later).
>>>
>>> I'm all for centralizing things like IP management, branding, messaging,
>>> and the more public outreachy aspects of the brand and foundation, but I can
>>> tell you that those things will likely fall in the laps of those on the West
>>> Coast, once again, because it's easy for that to happen. I think Nat has
>>> been doing an impressive job pushing OpenID forward in Japan, but if he had
>>> to wait on a central body — again, which a preponderance of representation
>>> from the West Coast — I don't know that he'd be making as much progress — as
>>> it is, he's been trying to push forward various proposals with little help
>>> from anyone — let alone the concentrated group on the West Coast.
>>>
>>> If I saw evidence that groups around the world were pushing hard to get
>>> things done, but were unable to do so because they didn't have central
>>> coordination, I'd be more interested in entertaining the idea of a
>>> consolidated, centrally geo-colocated structure. But that would only cause
>>> members of the community to turn inward, when what we need to do is continue
>>> pushing outward — extending the ripples of awareness from the small
>>> community of folks who care about this technology.
>>>
>>> More bureaucracy will not help here — more action will. Thus, I'd be more
>>> interested in developing ideas for helping OpenID grow internationally and
>>> advancing the cause of user-centric identity generally, than trying to
>>> construct a framework for participation before we even see any real activity
>>> happening naturally.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Steven Livingstone-Perez <
>>> weblivz at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I tend to agree with Santosh on this one - the breaking up of OpenID
>>>> into different organizations with little to no communication hasn't been
>>>> useful (at least not from what i've seen as a simple member - i don't see
>>>> what happens internally). Seems only to have isolated the majority
>>>> of decisions around OpenID in the US from other communities around the
>>>> world.
>>>>
>>>> Many of these Open* initiatives need to encourage community
>>>> participation from outwith the West Coast and i'd like to see a more
>>>> collaborative strategy in building this "platform" together. I don't know
>>>> that this community participation can be *purely* pushed out to edge
>>>> foundations with limited impact on the Foundation itself.
>>>>
>>>> /steven
>>>> http://livz.org
>>>>
>>>>  *From:* Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:14 PM
>>>> *To:* general at openid.net
>>>> *Subject:* [OpenID] Fwd: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID Foundation
>>>> Europe
>>>>
>>>> Forwarding to general forum. I think this discussion is og general
>>>> interest also.
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID Foundation Europe
>>>> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
>>>> Cc: openid-eu at lists.openid.net, snorri.giorgetti at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Don,
>>>> I think you have missed the point entirely. Let me quote our european
>>>> colleagues. " was also wondering whether it would be more appropriate
>>>> to have one single consolidated foundation".
>>>>
>>>> Right! Lets think in terms of one single consolidated foundation.
>>>>
>>>> So what have you got to say about that?
>>>>
>>>> Now let me add my personal views to this. Living in an increasingly
>>>> globalized world, something so universal like "identity", should be
>>>> globalized and made "one".
>>>>
>>>> Instead of breaking up OpenID into cultural, geographic and language
>>>> boundaries, we should be working towards unifying OpenID into one universal
>>>> Identity.
>>>>
>>>> I think it is ridiculous to think of OpenID europe, or OpenID Japan or
>>>> OpenID India or whatever you want to call it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Santosh
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Don Thibeau (OIDF ED) <don at oidf.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The OpenID Foundation has much work to do in Europe in 2010.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope the board elections underway will increase our representation,
>>>>> resources and expertise on several fronts WRT OpenID EU.
>>>>> I plan to propose a 2010 OpenID Foundation EU committee to:
>>>>> 1. Review the analysis underway of our trademarks and brands
>>>>> 2. Discuss EU membership outreach and organization
>>>>> 3. Review EU budget plans and priorities.
>>>>>
>>>>> With that new committee's help and that of Henrik, Snorri and others, I
>>>>> plan
>>>>> to propose the 2010 board sponsor a "OpenID Summit Europe" to occur
>>>>> around
>>>>> the Burton Catalyst Europe, April 19-22 in Prague.  I have been invited
>>>>> to
>>>>> speak at that conference http://www.catalyst.burtongroup.com/eu10/
>>>>>
>>>>> Don Thibeau
>>>>> don at OIDF.org
>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>> The OpenID Foundation
>>>>> http://openid.net
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net
>>>>> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Henrik
>>>>> Biering
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:07 PM
>>>>> To: Snorri Giorgetti
>>>>> Cc: openid-board at lists.openid.net; openid-eu at lists.openid.net
>>>>> Subject: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID Foundation Europe
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Snorri,
>>>>> how are you doing? I have not heard anything from you for quite a long
>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday, I discovered that the openid.dk domain registered by OpenID
>>>>> foundation Europe had expired and had been deactivated.
>>>>> I have now managed to pay the invoice and get the domain reactivated.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I wonder about the situation of OpenID Europe Foundation in
>>>>> general. You have done an impressive job of aquiring the European and
>>>>> National Trademarks for OpenID as well as several national OpenID
>>>>> domains on behalf of the EU foundation, and it would be sad to see the
>>>>> result of these efforts vanish.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there are no resources available to maintain OpenID Foundation
>>>>> Europe, maybe it is appropriate to consider how this IPR may be
>>>>> consolidated within the global OpenID Foundation (or alternatively at
>>>>> the national levels).
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Henrik Biering
>>>>> OpenID-DK representative
>>>>>
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