[OpenID] [xri-comment] My Feedback for XRD Vrsion 1.0

[Peter Williams]

The web changed Internet email culture, with many of the older  
communication patterns being lost. Out went most of the humor (and  
trust). In came standardized messaging, much as is used when running a  
corporation.

Remember the old adage: when assigning malice or Incompetence as  
motive, it's almost always incompetence.

I am indeed a bit frustrated, I suppose - as  evidently im as ignorant  
(and thus as practically incompetent)  as I was when I for one started  
looking at openid. It took me nearly 3 years to understand xri, xrds,  
name resolution, localid synonyms, yadis and openid...so I could  
comprehend what folks pitched as s's main differentiator over a saml  
infrastructure: uci and trust network management offloaded to  
ibrokers. By the time id fathomed all that and java and openxri  
libraries and could finally program and sign an xrd usable by my yadis  
consumer from my own trust network connected to the public name  
resolvers, uci is (sigh) no longer the central thrust of the movement.  
Now it's all been inverted, to be all about offloading domain  
endpoints to paas vendors and securing restful Apis with hmacs. (why  
not just add an ssl record layer protocol instead!!)

At the same time, it's all if the web gets universal (rsa) signed xrd  
to update and replace signed domain certs and cert chains.

I'll be happy if ietf includes a normative signed xrd example in the  
host meta profile. Then it's all been worth it.

On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Brian Kissel <bkissel at janrain.com> wrote:

> +1, well said John.  We absolutely do want a diversity of opinion  
> and constructive dialog, passionate even ;-) But also respectful and  
> inclusive.  As John says, if this becomes a flaming feast, we may  
> discourage others who have unique perspectives from sharing their  
> questions, thoughts, and suggestions which would do us all a  
> disservice.
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> Cheers,
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> Brian
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> From: openid-general-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:openid-general- 
> bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of John Panzer
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 10:44 AM
> To: Peter Williams
> Cc: openid-general at lists.openid.net
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] [xri-comment] My Feedback for XRD Vrsion 1.0
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> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:14 PM, SitG Admin <sysadmin at shadowsinthegarden.com 
> > wrote:
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> Maybe the OpenID board should consider enforcing some basic rules of  
> civility and professionalism on this list.
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> As much as I value civility, I disapprove of the authoritarian  
> approach to moderation. -1; community-enforced rules are more in  
> keeping with UCI principles, too.
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> In the spirit of community enforced rules, I'd like to say that we  
> should have, and I believe we do have, community norms against ad  
> hominem attacks and slurs.  I am seeing more and more discussion  
> that involves these insults lately.  My style is to be very thick  
> skinned, try to provide a polite example, and allow for the  
> possibility that the person means well but perhaps isn't writing in  
> their first language, or doesn't know how to take the extra  
> precautions needed in an text-only form of communication to avoid  
> the appearance of rudeness.  This does not mean that I like the tone  
> of the conversation.
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> Unfortunately, not addressing the tone has a bad effect of keeping  
> others observing the conversation from joining in; nobody wants to  
> spend extra time on this or being attacked.  It's a chilling effect  
> that we don't want to have.  I want to welcome all who wish to  
> contribute to the conversation, and do not want them to fear being  
> personally attacked by doing so.
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> Peter, I have to say I'm not quite sure what you were saying above  
> in your last response to Santosh.  Some parts of it seemed quite  
> rude to me though and I understand why Eran would react the way he  
> did.  Please take this as friendly feedback.
>
>
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> I hope that we can take this as a warning, be more careful and  
> considerate in communication, and keep it polite while still having  
> a good and spirited technical discussion.
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> -John
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