[OpenID] [xri-comment] My Feedback for XRD Vrsion 1.0

[Brian Kissel]

+1, well said John.  We absolutely do want a diversity of opinion and constructive dialog, passionate even ;-) But also respectful and inclusive.  As John says, if this becomes a flaming feast, we may discourage others who have unique perspectives from sharing their questions, thoughts, and suggestions which would do us all a disservice.

Cheers,

Brian
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From: openid-general-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:openid-general-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of John Panzer
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 10:44 AM
To: Peter Williams
Cc: openid-general at lists.openid.net
Subject: Re: [OpenID] [xri-comment] My Feedback for XRD Vrsion 1.0

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:14 PM, SitG Admin <sysadmin at shadowsinthegarden.com<mailto:sysadmin at shadowsinthegarden.com>> wrote:
Maybe the OpenID board should consider enforcing some basic rules of civility and professionalism on this list.

As much as I value civility, I disapprove of the authoritarian approach to moderation. -1; community-enforced rules are more in keeping with UCI principles, too.

In the spirit of community enforced rules, I'd like to say that we should have, and I believe we do have, community norms against ad hominem attacks and slurs.  I am seeing more and more discussion that involves these insults lately.  My style is to be very thick skinned, try to provide a polite example, and allow for the possibility that the person means well but perhaps isn't writing in their first language, or doesn't know how to take the extra precautions needed in an text-only form of communication to avoid the appearance of rudeness.  This does not mean that I like the tone of the conversation.

Unfortunately, not addressing the tone has a bad effect of keeping others observing the conversation from joining in; nobody wants to spend extra time on this or being attacked.  It's a chilling effect that we don't want to have.  I want to welcome all who wish to contribute to the conversation, and do not want them to fear being personally attacked by doing so.

Peter, I have to say I'm not quite sure what you were saying above in your last response to Santosh.  Some parts of it seemed quite rude to me though and I understand why Eran would react the way he did.  Please take this as friendly feedback.

I hope that we can take this as a warning, be more careful and considerate in communication, and keep it polite while still having a good and spirited technical discussion.

-John



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