[OpenID] Community Opinion on OID 2.1 Discovery and Identifiers...

[Andrew Arnott]

Jyte doesn't like me either.  And their Google Group support forum is
hilarious.  The last post there <http://groups.google.com/group/jyte> is
mine from about 8 months ago.  No reply.

--
Andrew Arnott
"I [may] not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death
your right to say it." - S. G. Tallentyre


On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:28 PM, John Bradley <john.bradley at wingaa.com>wrote:

> David,
> I tried to vote but RPX and Jyte seems to have some issue with me :)
>
> One option that should be discussed is abstracting all identifiers out of
> the core spec.
>
> When I originally proposed that last year in the early 2.1 discussions it
> was rejected.
>
> Unless we have some reasonable abstraction layer for identifiers adding new
> ones will never work properly.
>
> My proposal is that all identifiers including URL are removed from the core
> spec and placed in there respective binding extension documents.
>
> If this is rejected due to the argument that developers are only willing to
> read one document, then my argument that leaving URL in the core spec makes
> all the other identifiers second class citizens is proved.
>
> This again raises the question of what is openID.  Is it an authentication
> protocol,  a discovery methodology,  a Identity abstraction layer for
> applications,  or a marketing term?
>
> I think we need to understand the answers to the latter questions before
> deciding what should be in the core spec.
>
> John B.
>
> On 5-Jun-09, at 3:00 PM, general-request at openid.net wrote:
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:51:48 +0000
> From: David Fuelling <sappenin at gmail.com>
> Subject: [OpenID] Community Opinion on OID 2.1 Discovery and
> Identifiers...
> To: general at openid.net
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> The point below (about the community needing to decide if it's going to
> support webfinger) is just one of many questions I'd like community to
> decide concerning OID Auth 2.1 Discovery and Identifier support.
>
> Maybe this is where a WG should be formed....I'm not really sure.  It seems
> kind of backwards to form a working group about something like email
> identifiers (e.g.) and then come back to the community with some decision.
> It seems like the community should reach some consensus first, and then we
> start a WG.  Perhaps I have the wrong notion of what a Working Group is.
>
> At any rate, *in the absence of a WG* on any of these issues, I'm curious
> to
> know the community's opinion on these questions so we can all know what the
> general consensus is.
>
> So, at the risk of igniting a firestorm, I created a bunch of Jyte claims
> and embedded them in the wiki.  Please share your vote (and thus your
> opinion) if you so wish.
>
> https://openid.pbworks.com/Identifier-and-Discovery-2_1-Questions
>
> Also, please note that I'm not authoritative about the questions.  Feel
> free
> to embed your own claim into the wiki page (though I tried to be fair in
> the
> framing of the questions).
>
> David
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Dirk Balfanz <balfanz at google.com> wrote:
>
>
> I Webfinger gives you everything you need. The OpenID community just needs
>
> to decide whether the email-like identifiers falling out of webfinger are
>
> acceptable OpenIDs.
>
>
>
>
> I think you have a raised a very valid issue here. I didn't realize that
>
> first time round. You are right. I don't see any point in continuing with
>
> the email issue without a clear answer to this question.
>
>
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