[OpenID] Google's proprietary discovery extension?
Paul Madsen
paulmadsen at rogers.com
Fri Jul 31 21:43:55 UTC 2009
Thanks Kaliya for clarifying. And yes, Kantara is but one of the
places that meaningful & important identity work is happening.
I share your optimism for these various communities moving forward together.
thanks again and see you at IIW
paul
Kaliya * wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Paul Madsen <paulmadsen at rogers.com
> <mailto:paulmadsen at rogers.com>> wrote:
>
> of course the 'getting along' would be easier if there weren't
> this sort of veiled (and inaccurate) jab every once in a while.
>
>
> Good people are working on good work at Kantara. I was not implying
> that by putting "good" in quotes that the work or people were not good.
>
> Liberty Alliance has been a leader in doing work in the identity space
> for a long time - it developed the SAML standard, done really good
> work around privacy and policy articulation and understanding, they
> have been very active on working on assurance levels (tracking to NIST
> (national institute of standards), and doing compliance testing for
> industry for standards (a company pays to run their software through a
> series of tests and if they pass they get to say that they are
> "certified".
>
> I think Kantara is a good place to move the work and community around
> Liberty forward and expand the openness including broadening work. One
> of the key needs they address is that large companies doing work
> together in the standards realm require create spaces to collaborate
> on things that involve IP needed a place where the IPR rules are
> articulated up front. They have working groups that support this kind
> of "clean space" to do work. Quite frankly this need to clear IPR is
> something all groups (those of little co's and just people) need to
> deal with it (OpenID was stalled for a long time in its IPR clearing
> process) and it is in part what OWF is trying to address too.
>
> In the last day because of conversations coming out of this thread
> they have changed the language on their press releases to reflect that
> they are a community (rather then "the community").
>
> Since RSA we (Identity Commons) has had a conversation with Kantara
> about developing a joint statement of values that we share.
> Identity Commons - http://wiki.idcommons.net/Purpose_And_Principles
> Kantara - http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/GI/Mission
>
> This conversation got going again this week at Burton Group Catalyst
> and I think these values are shared by many of the
> communities/organizations working in the field (OpenID Foundation,
> InfoCard Foudnation, OWF, InCommon Federation (in higher education)
> DataPortability etc) so I am hopeful we can find a way to
> express/share values across all of these efforts.
>
> One of the Identity Commons groups - ID-Legal is exploring
> collaborating with the Privacy Group in Kantara to convene a meeting
> to Map the Gap between different identity technologies and the
> different legal lenses.
>
> I think we are seeing a good ecology of groups that provide different
> kinds of forums and tools for groups working doing technology but also
> perhaps more importantly as the technology has been innovated in the
> last several years to address the harder issues of trust, business
> processes, adoption, problem solving to make this stuff work. I don't
> think there will ever "be one forum" either but information sharing
> and collaboration are critical.
>
> And IIW is an open unconference format with no "agenda" other then
> what everyone who comes brings to the event.
> It will continue to be a forum for collaboration.
> http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com
>
> Identity Commons has monthly stewards call that are being run like a
> "mini-iiw" to share information across groups in the space of identity
> and the social web - they have been quite productive.
> Last one -
> http://wiki.idcommons.net/Stewards_Council_Telecom:_2009_July_1#Notes
> next info - http://wiki.idcommons.net/Stewards_Council_Telecons
>
> This a forum for information sharing and syncing of efforts can be a
> place where those seeking to understand where activity is happening
> around what is happening.
>
> -Kaliya
>
>
>
>
>
>
> paul
>
>
> Santosh Rajan wrote:
>> Nice to know there is dialogue about "everyone getting along". It would be so
>> much better if "everyone where getting along as one". Easier said than done
>> I guess.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kaliya *-2 wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com> <mailto:santrajan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good question. I am not too sure about that either. But they seem pretty
>>>> upbeat about welcoming new members and announcing new working groups. (i
>>>> am
>>>> on their mailing list).
>>>>
>>> Right - cause they are "good" at that kind of promotion, with like 5+
>>> full-time-equivalent staff whose job it is to get attention for the org...
>>> yeah.
>>>
>>> They have lots of "new" working groups cause they are moving all work from
>>> Liberty Alliance (Trade organization) over to the "new org". Look
>>> carefully
>>> at who was not on board with the announcement - none of the web portal
>>> co's
>>> involved in OpenID. Not many people active in the identity community
>>> actually blogged or commented about its formation or are now talking about
>>> all the "new" activity there.
>>>
>>> Activity continues to go on in Identity Commons working groups without
>>> much
>>> fanfare but getting lots done (OpenID, Info Cards, OSIS, Project VRM,
>>> Pamela
>>> Project, Higgins Project etc). We just had a meeting here at Burton Group
>>> Catalyst yesterday with OSIS (open source identity systems) that has done
>>> 5
>>> major interops http://osis.idcommons.net in the last few years.
>>>
>>> You might find this informative re: some of the water under the bridge
>>> (they
>>> asked Identity Commons to merge with Liberty Alliance and form this new
>>> org
>>> last summer)
>>> http://wiki.idcommons.net/IDTBD_Summary
>>>
>>> Having pointed you at this piece of history from last year, there are
>>> dialogues about "everyone getting along" and representatives from OpenID
>>> Foundation (Don the ED), Identity Commons (5 stewards), Information Card
>>> Foundation (3+ folks) and Kantara (Brett) were all at the OSIS meeting
>>> yesterday.
>>>
>>> -Kaliya
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Kaliya * <identitywoman at gmail.com> <mailto:identitywoman at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Santosh Rajan
>>>>> <santrajan at gmail.com> <mailto:santrajan at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> After seeing all the activity and excitement at Kantara
>>>>>>
>>>>> "what excitement"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> and Open web the past
>>>>>> few weeks, this place looks like a graveyard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SitG Admin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hehe! Shade for once I am going to agree with you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not my point, though. You say apathy; I see only the *appearance* of
>>>>>>> inaction, and have no idea what work may be going on in private
>>>>>>> Working Groups that I don't hear about; obviously Google has been
>>>>>>> active on its own; finally, there are the separate communities in
>>>>>>> which complementary work is being done. If it all feeds back into
>>>>>>> OpenID eventually, we have little basis for complaint. We might hope
>>>>>>> for more frequent progress updates, but I'm sure something will be
>>>>>>> said when there is something to say ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meanwhile, we can use this time to work on our own projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Shade
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>>>>>>
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