[OpenID] Google's proprietary discovery extension?

Fri Jul 31 20:27:47 UTC 2009

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Paul Madsen <paulmadsen at rogers.com> wrote:

>  of course the 'getting along' would be easier if there weren't this sort
> of veiled (and inaccurate) jab every once in a while.
>

Good people are working on good work at Kantara.  I was not implying that by
putting "good" in quotes that the work or people were not good.

Liberty Alliance has been a leader in doing work in the identity space for a
long time - it developed the SAML standard, done really good work around
privacy and policy articulation and understanding, they have been very
active on working on assurance levels (tracking to NIST (national institute
of standards), and doing compliance testing for industry for standards (a
company pays to run their software through a series of tests and if they
pass they get to say that they are "certified".

I think Kantara is a good place to move the work and community around
Liberty forward and expand the openness including broadening work. One of
the key needs they address is that large companies doing work together in
the standards realm require create spaces to collaborate on things that
involve IP needed a place where the IPR rules are articulated up front.
They have working groups that support this kind of "clean space" to do
work.  Quite frankly this need to clear IPR is something all groups (those
of little co's and just people) need to deal with it (OpenID was stalled for
a long time in its IPR clearing process) and it is in part what OWF is
trying to address too.

In the last day because of conversations coming out of this thread they have
changed the language on their press releases to reflect that they are a
community (rather then "the community").

Since RSA we (Identity Commons) has had a conversation with Kantara about
developing a joint statement of values that we share.
Identity Commons - http://wiki.idcommons.net/Purpose_And_Principles
Kantara - http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/GI/Mission

This conversation got going again this week at Burton Group  Catalyst and I
think these values are shared by many of the communities/organizations
working in the field (OpenID Foundation, InfoCard Foudnation, OWF, InCommon
Federation (in higher education) DataPortability etc) so I am hopeful we can
find a way to express/share values across all of these efforts.

One of the Identity Commons groups - ID-Legal is exploring collaborating
with the Privacy Group in Kantara to convene a meeting to Map the Gap
between different identity technologies and the different legal lenses.

I think we are seeing a good ecology of groups that provide different kinds
of forums and tools for groups working doing technology but also perhaps
more importantly as the technology has been innovated in the last several
years to address the harder issues of trust, business processes, adoption,
problem solving to make this stuff work. I don't think there will ever "be
one forum" either but information sharing and collaboration are critical.

And IIW is an open unconference format with no "agenda" other then what
everyone who comes brings to the event.
It will continue to be a forum for collaboration.
http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com

Identity Commons has monthly stewards call that are being run like a
"mini-iiw" to share information across groups in the space of identity and
the social web - they have been quite productive.
Last one -
http://wiki.idcommons.net/Stewards_Council_Telecom:_2009_July_1#Notes
next info - http://wiki.idcommons.net/Stewards_Council_Telecons

This a forum for information sharing and syncing of efforts can be a place
where those seeking to understand where activity is happening around what is
happening.

-Kaliya

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> paul
>
>
> Santosh Rajan wrote:
>
> Nice to know there is dialogue about "everyone getting along". It would be so
> much better if "everyone where getting along as one". Easier said than done
> I guess.
>
>
>
> Kaliya *-2 wrote:
>
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>  On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com> <santrajan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>  Good question. I am not too sure about that either. But they seem pretty
> upbeat about welcoming new members and announcing new working groups. (i
> am
> on their mailing list).
>
>
>  Right - cause they are "good" at that kind of promotion, with like 5+
> full-time-equivalent staff whose job it is to get attention for the org...
> yeah.
>
> They have lots of "new" working groups cause they are moving all work from
> Liberty Alliance (Trade organization) over to the "new org". Look
> carefully
> at who was not on board with the announcement - none of the web portal
> co's
> involved in OpenID.  Not many people active in the identity community
> actually blogged or commented about its formation or are now talking about
> all the "new" activity there.
>
> Activity continues to go on in Identity Commons working groups without
> much
> fanfare but getting lots done (OpenID, Info Cards, OSIS, Project VRM,
> Pamela
> Project, Higgins Project etc).  We just had a meeting here at Burton Group
> Catalyst yesterday with OSIS (open source identity systems) that has done
> 5
> major interops http://osis.idcommons.net in the last few years.
>
> You might find this informative re: some of the water under the bridge
> (they
> asked Identity Commons to merge with Liberty Alliance and form this new
> org
> last summer)http://wiki.idcommons.net/IDTBD_Summary
>
> Having pointed you at this piece of history from last year, there are
> dialogues about "everyone getting along" and representatives from OpenID
> Foundation (Don the ED), Identity Commons (5 stewards), Information Card
> Foundation (3+ folks)  and Kantara (Brett) were all at the OSIS meeting
> yesterday.
>
> -Kaliya
>
>
>
>
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>  On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Kaliya * <identitywoman at gmail.com> <identitywoman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>
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>  On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Santosh Rajan<santrajan at gmail.com> <santrajan at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>  After seeing all the activity and excitement at Kantara
>
>
>  "what excitement"?
>
>
>
>
>
>  and Open web the past
> few weeks, this place looks like a graveyard.
>
>
> SitG Admin wrote:
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>  Hehe! Shade for once I am going to agree with you.
>
>
>  Not my point, though. You say apathy; I see only the *appearance* of
> inaction, and have no idea what work may be going on in private
> Working Groups that I don't hear about; obviously Google has been
> active on its own; finally, there are the separate communities in
> which complementary work is being done. If it all feeds back into
> OpenID eventually, we have little basis for complaint. We might hope
> for more frequent progress updates, but I'm sure something will be
> said when there is something to say ;)
>
> Meanwhile, we can use this time to work on our own projects.
>
> -Shade
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