[OpenID] Google's proprietary discovery extension?

Wed Jul 29 14:24:40 UTC 2009

Openid is a self governing commune, not a corporate entity.

The only heartburn I have with google is over openid delegation, whose
op portability property is the heart of uci. I'm hoping that they are
finding their way to supporting it rather than using engineered spin
to cover non compliance.  Positive evidence lies in their app domain
delegation model. But, as yet, it doesn't meet the uci standard

Otherwise, they showed over deference to the board, and in so doing
demonstrated the boards ability to promote self restraint. That same
board is promoting voluntary compliance, especially in the xri area.

On Jul 28, 2009, at 10:22 PM, "Santosh Rajan" <santrajan at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> There is no sign of the "STD mechanism" coming soon.
> Apathy on the part of the OpenID Foundation.
> Half the Identity folk have moved on to Kantara Initiative.
> The Other half to the Open Web foundation.
> XRI TC has tied itself in knots.
> And the hilarious part is that there are folk involved in all these
> three
> foundations!
> No idea were the rest of us should bail out to!?
>
>
> Peter Williams wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The test will come when the STD mechanism comes along, addressing the
>> same core needs. Will google act like cisco, and also go with the
>> consensus?
>>
>> Adding xmldsig to discovery is only doing something already
>> contemplated. Meatime, expect alot of noise.
>>
>> They are being bold. And that I like.
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2009, at 7:37 PM, "Santosh Rajan" <santrajan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Apparently there are people unhappy about this Google Initiative.
>>> http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2009/07/openid-for-google-apps-is-here.php
>>> http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2009/07/openid-for-google-apps-is-here.php
>>>
>>> Were I come from there is an old saying that goes "If you don't sit
>>> on your
>>> chair, your dog will sit on it".
>>> And that is exactly what has happened. The so called unhappy folks
>>> did
>>> nothing for the last two years, since 2007, (release of 2.0). So
>>> what is
>>> there to crib about now?
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What I most like about this initiative - apart from the technical
>>>> content
>>>> - it it breaks a taboo: that vendor-endorsed extensions are
>>>> entirely
>>>> proper. That is, you dont HAVE to beg openid foundation for
>>>> permission to
>>>> extend the openid auth protocol, or register it with some
>>>> foundation
>>>> controlled authority.
>>>>
>>>> This opens the market for LOTS and lots of discovery extensions
>>>> now, from
>>>> lots of folks with new (and old) ideas about trust management.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: general-bounces at openid.net [general-bounces at openid.net] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Eric Sachs [esachs at google.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:29 AM
>>>> To: Breno de Medeiros
>>>> Cc: general
>>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Google's proprietary discovery extension?
>>>>
>>>> The Google announcement of this new OpenID service has now been
>>>> formally
>>>> posted at
>>>> http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009/07/google-apps-openid-identity-hub-for.html
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Breno de Medeiros
>>>> <breno at google.com<mailto:breno at google.com>> wrote:
>>>> There is a proposal for a webfinger protocol based on standards
>>>> (the IETF
>>>> LRDD proposal and either (optionally signed) XRDS or the newly
>>>> proposed
>>>> (optionally signed) XRD format) that would allow users to type
>>>>
>>>> 'google.com<http://google.com>'
>>>>
>>>> or their email address,
>>>>
>>>> and it would just work. It would also work for users of Google Apps
>>>> for
>>>> Your Domain, that have email addresses that are not
>>>> @gmail.com<http://gmail.com> or @googlemail.com<http://
>>>> googlemail.com>.
>>>> These users comprise a significant portion of our user base.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully the community will be excited about these possibilities
>>>> and will
>>>> embrace a new vision for discovery that supports all users. We at
>>>> Google
>>>> have NOT been working on this behind the scenes. For instance, see
>>>> John
>>>> Panzer's blog post on webfinger at http://www.abstractioneer.org/,
>>>> our
>>>> involvement in the XRI TC (see the markmail links in Eric's
>>>> message), and
>>>> many emails that we have exchanged in the various openid mailing
>>>> lists
>>>> about discovery in the past several months. We have also added our
>>>> names
>>>> to a proposal for an OpenID discovery WG
>>>> http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID-Discovery
>>>>
>>>> We invite all that are excited about possibilities with a new
>>>> discovery
>>>> mechanism (supporting email and xmpp addresses as OpenID
>>>> identifiers,
>>>> improving security of discovery, making it more flexible to work
>>>> with
>>>> hosted applications, etc.) to
>>>> contribute with momentum to move this forward.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Eric Sachs
>>>> <esachs at google.com<mailto:esachs at google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> I haven't heard anything about this except from this one article.
>>>>
>>>> In terms of more background on the evolving discovery standards,
>>>> the best
>>>> information is actually on a blog run by Eran Hammer-Lahav at Yahoo
>>>> who
>>>> has led a lot of the work in this space.  Here is a hyperlink which
>>>> will
>>>> show you all the blog posts he has done about "discovery" and he
>>>> has done
>>>> a good job of trying to provide background.
>>>> http://www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/discovery/
>>>> Note though that this work is not specific to OpenID, but instead
>>>> is to
>>>> try to provide a generic discovery mechanism that can be used my
>>>> multiple
>>>> protocols.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to join some of the discussions, here are links to a
>>>> few
>>>> threads:
>>>> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xri/200905/msg00025.html
>>>> http://markmail.org/message/rup4ikec43bk4wkg
>>>> http://markmail.org/message/5ckiqdzjguipa3qf
>>>> We do still want more community discussions about discovery, and
>>>> its
>>>> application to OpenID.  While these standards are being refined, we
>>>> are
>>>> providing a proof-of-concept implementation of a next-generation
>>>> OpenID
>>>> discovery protocol. While some of the details of this
>>>> proof-of-concept-implementation are different from what the
>>>> eventual
>>>> standards are likely to look like (e.g., we're using XRDS instead
>>>> of XRD
>>>> for discovery documents, and are using temporary namespaces), we
>>>> believe
>>>> all the necessary pieces are there.  For nitty gritty details, see
>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/fedlogininterp/openiddiscovery
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Andrew Arnott
>>>> <andrewarnott at gmail.com<mailto:andrewarnott at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Oops.... I sent my email to the wrong list.  See below.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Arnott
>>>> "I [may] not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to
>>>> the death
>>>> your right to say it." - S. G. Tallentyre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Andrew Arnott
>>>> <andrewarnott at gmail.com<mailto:andrewarnott at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> From
>>>> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_to_announce_major_identity_initiative_for_1.php
>>>>
>>>> OpenID relying parties will need to be redirected from the domain
>>>> provided
>>>> at user login over to Google's OpenID service. In order for this
>>>> redirect
>>>> to happen, all relying parties will need to start looking for a new
>>>> OpenID
>>>> extension that Google has developed and implemented in conjunction
>>>> with
>>>> one relying party technology, JanRain's RPX<http://
>>>> www.janrain.com/>.
>>>>
>>>> Is this just FUD about Google?  I haven't heard anything about this
>>>> except
>>>> from this one article. And Google's own OpenID for Google
>>>> Apps<http://code.google.com/intl/ja/apis/accounts/docs/OpenID.html>
>>>> page
>>>> says nothing about a special extension.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Arnott
>>>> "I [may] not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to
>>>> the death
>>>> your right to say it." - S. G. Tallentyre
>>>>
>>>>
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