[OpenID] Eating our own dog food

Tue Dec 15 22:21:20 UTC 2009

True true. I'm thinking of the viewer's perspective, not the page "owner".

Linking the user's dashboard when they're logged in probably makes sense,
but as usual, it all depends on context and expectations.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Andrew Arnott <andrewarnott at gmail.com>wrote:

> For a list like the one Johannes gave, that makes sense.  From a "Welcome,
> *claimed_id!*" scenario, the tooltip makes more sense to me, since I don't
> want to make the user's *own* OpenID a link since it doesn't buy the user
> much if anything.  But I could go either way.
>
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> Andrew Arnott
> "I [may] not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death
> your right to say it." - S. G. Tallentyre
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Chris Messina <chris.messina at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> ...which doesn't seem that great from an accessibility perspective, though
>> I understand the motivation.
>>
>> What's wrong with just linking to the OpenID URL and having that suffice?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Arnott <andrewarnott at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> One way I've balanced the "easy to read" ideal with the "accurate" ideal
>>> is to use tooltips.  I display the easy-to-read versions in text on the
>>> page, but if you hover over it, you get the whole long claimed_id.
>>>  --
>>> Andrew Arnott
>>> "I [may] not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the
>>> death your right to say it." - S. G. Tallentyre
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Chris Messina <chris.messina at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1.
>>>>
>>>> Great points... we should definitely be showcasing how "cool" and
>>>> "useful" OpenID can be — especially in cases like this. Exposing the inner
>>>> workings (or limitations?) of the technology only works to reinforce
>>>> people's stereotypes of OpenID — that's it's hard to use, confusing, and
>>>> ugly (we're Specimen A for proving all those points!).
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps this is something that should be listed either on Get
>>>> Satisfaction and/or UserVoice so we have it captured somewhere more public
>>>> (sorry, but our mailing list archives are a beast to search and navigate).
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Johannes Ernst <jernst+openid.net@
>>>> netmesh.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just realize that the membership pages on openid.net show all http
>>>>> URLs *without* the protocol. E.g the voting page lists the following
>>>>> candidates:
>>>>>
>>>>> mfrons22.wordpress.com
>>>>> allentom.com
>>>>> www.google.com/accounts/o…
>>>>> bkkissel.myopenid.com
>>>>> daniel.jacobson.myopenid.…
>>>>> blame.ca
>>>>> www.google.com/profiles/d…
>>>>> =!BF81.FD97.C81B.B4E5
>>>>> openid.jonathancoffman.co…
>>>>> josephsmarr.com
>>>>> =!477C.45CF.CAA7.A71
>>>>> martin.paljak.pri.ee
>>>>> www.google.com/accounts/o…
>>>>> otti.clavid.ch
>>>>>
>>>>> If we continue to insist that http://XXX and https://XXX are two
>>>>> different OpenIDs, we should not list them this way. (Personally, I don't,
>>>>> but that was the majority view every time somebody asked.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I also question whether abbreviating OpenIDs is ever a good idea, or
>>>>> whether printing an i-number instead of something human-comprehensible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, while we are on the subject, why not make them all clickable, so
>>>>> we can learn something about the candidates? Remember, this is the original
>>>>> use case for why http URLs as identifiers as opposed to any other
>>>>> identifier. And for voting purposes, that makes every sense in the world as
>>>>> all of the above http OpenIDs would lead to interesting pages about the
>>>>> candidates, if they were clickable that is. The abbreviated ones aren't even
>>>>> copy-pasteable ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. This is intended to be a bunch of bug reports against the app, not
>>>>> a complaint. ;-) Didn't know where the bug tracking system was so I post it
>>>>> here ;-)
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>>>>
>>>>
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