[OpenID] FreeYourID shutting down

[Kick Willemse]

Johannes,


There is other markets introducing the Mobile ID: Estonia:
http://www.id.ee/mobiil?lang=en, Latvia:
Lattelecom launched the service with nine service providers, including
Latvijas Krājbanka bank, Riga city council, Lattelecom’s and Latvijas
Mobilais Telefons’ (LMT) online customer service, along with local
enterprises and universities. Mobile ID technology can be integrated in all
services that require strong authentication or a legally binding signature.
Lattelecom handles user and transaction validation, making it easier for
other service providers to join in.

I think you see the model translates to other markets where initially a lot
of authentication transactions are brought into the business case. So a
country where banks cooperate to offer secure online banking
(http://www.bankid.com/en/What-is-BankID/) or involvement of the government
(like: http://www.idmanagement.gov/,
http://www.ida.gov.sg/Infrastructure/20080924094425.aspx
),  that accepts commercial IDP's for online governmental transactions. Most
of the time the stimulus for this initial large amount of e-transactions are
driven by legislation. 

Relatively closed authentication systems like BankID's or MobileID's are
getting linked together by matching levels of assurance and involvement of
authentication brokers (Authentication scheme). RP's are able to accept all
kind of authentication providers and end-users can choose their preferred
authentication method. I think this is the way the model translates to the
open web.

Kick

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Johannes Ernst [mailto:jernst+openid.net at netmesh.us] 
Verzonden: donderdag 27 augustus 2009 18:05
Aan: Kick Willemse
CC: openid-general at lists.openid.net
Onderwerp: Re: [OpenID] FreeYourID shutting down

Kick,

thanks for the explanation.

Do you have any evidence that the Turkcell model translates:
1. into other markets/geographies
2. to the open web, as opposed to a (presumably relatively closed --  
I'm guessing) mobile phone ecosystem
3. to OpenID?

On your second point, I think we can agree that consumers getting  
click revenue as, at the very least, speculative at this point and has  
not been proven to work.



On Aug 26, 2009, at 15:10, Kick Willemse wrote:

> Johannes,
>
> A good example is Turkey, where Mobile Operator Turkcell (35 million  
> users)
> issues sim based PKI identities on mobile phones. Main  Within ten  
> months of
> their launch, twelve banks and two stock brokerages were providing  
> mobile
> signature services. The usage quickly
> spread beyond financial services, including several large  
> corporations, plus
> government and health services. The number of ways you can use your  
> Turkcell
> Mobil Imza (mobile signature) in Turkeyare expanding constantly. Now  
> you can
> even submit your marriage application using this universal  
> multipurpose
> electronic ID.
>
> In addition to the mobile signature service fee revenue, Turkcell  
> expects
> reduced churn and increased customer loyalty by linking their
> subscribers' identities to their SIM cards. The fee for a signature  
> is a SMS
> billed directly to the end-user.
>
> There is even an integration with OpenID> http://www.sifreyok.com
> (nopassword.com in Turkish)
>
> I am working on a similar model for the Dutch market.
>
> I wasn't aware of Nico's post and I think I have something different  
> in mind
> for the term IDsense. What I was referring to is a model where  
> consumers get
> some click revenue's every time some RP "clicks" on the consumers ID
> profile. Like a website owner getting some click revenue when somebody
> clicks on the google ads on his page. So what I suggest is that  
> consumers
> get paid (by the RP) for every valuable authentication they do at a  
> RP. An
> IDP could manage this IDSense type of revenue sharing. This might  
> stimulate
> consumers to get a digital identity with LOA 3/4.
>
> From your post on business models I suggest to make a distinction  
> between
> business to business Identity's and consumer identity's. I think in  
> the
> B-t-B there is proof for profitable businessmodels. Look at all the  
> SSL
> vendors and CA's issuing personal smartcards to accounting firms,  
> lawyers
> etc.. For the consumer market it is still very difficult, especially  
> when
> you offer it as a stand-alone business.  I think Turkey is an  
> example, but
> it is a value added service to their current mobile services, social
> networks and banks could do the same. Like you refer to as Identity  
> provider
> as part of a larger product. But they do get extra revenues from the  
> SMS's
>
> I hope this clarifies, thanks for starting up the discussion with  
> your post.
>
>
> Kick
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Johannes Ernst [mailto:jernst+openid.net at netmesh.us]
> Verzonden: woensdag 26 augustus 2009 18:58
> Aan: nieuwsgroep at evidos.nl
> CC: openid-general at lists.openid.net
> Onderwerp: Re: [OpenID] FreeYourID shutting down
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 2:03, nieuwsgroep at evidos.nl wrote:
>
>> In some countries people are willing to pay for online  
>> authentication,
>
> Can you give specific examples?
>
>> Another option is the IDsense way, where RP's will start paying for
>> my valuable credentials
>
> What are you referring to here? Nico's post?
>
http://blogs.verisign.com/innovation/2007/10/from_adsense_to_idsense_or_why 
> .
> php
>
>
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