[OpenID] FreeYourID shutting down

[Johannes Ernst]

Kick,

thanks for the explanation.

Do you have any evidence that the Turkcell model translates:
1. into other markets/geographies
2. to the open web, as opposed to a (presumably relatively closed --  
I'm guessing) mobile phone ecosystem
3. to OpenID?

On your second point, I think we can agree that consumers getting  
click revenue as, at the very least, speculative at this point and has  
not been proven to work.



On Aug 26, 2009, at 15:10, Kick Willemse wrote:

> Johannes,
>
> A good example is Turkey, where Mobile Operator Turkcell (35 million  
> users)
> issues sim based PKI identities on mobile phones. Main  Within ten  
> months of
> their launch, twelve banks and two stock brokerages were providing  
> mobile
> signature services. The usage quickly
> spread beyond financial services, including several large  
> corporations, plus
> government and health services. The number of ways you can use your  
> Turkcell
> Mobil Imza (mobile signature) in Turkeyare expanding constantly. Now  
> you can
> even submit your marriage application using this universal  
> multipurpose
> electronic ID.
>
> In addition to the mobile signature service fee revenue, Turkcell  
> expects
> reduced churn and increased customer loyalty by linking their
> subscribers' identities to their SIM cards. The fee for a signature  
> is a SMS
> billed directly to the end-user.
>
> There is even an integration with OpenID> http://www.sifreyok.com
> (nopassword.com in Turkish)
>
> I am working on a similar model for the Dutch market.
>
> I wasn't aware of Nico's post and I think I have something different  
> in mind
> for the term IDsense. What I was referring to is a model where  
> consumers get
> some click revenue's every time some RP "clicks" on the consumers ID
> profile. Like a website owner getting some click revenue when somebody
> clicks on the google ads on his page. So what I suggest is that  
> consumers
> get paid (by the RP) for every valuable authentication they do at a  
> RP. An
> IDP could manage this IDSense type of revenue sharing. This might  
> stimulate
> consumers to get a digital identity with LOA 3/4.
>
> From your post on business models I suggest to make a distinction  
> between
> business to business Identity's and consumer identity's. I think in  
> the
> B-t-B there is proof for profitable businessmodels. Look at all the  
> SSL
> vendors and CA's issuing personal smartcards to accounting firms,  
> lawyers
> etc.. For the consumer market it is still very difficult, especially  
> when
> you offer it as a stand-alone business.  I think Turkey is an  
> example, but
> it is a value added service to their current mobile services, social
> networks and banks could do the same. Like you refer to as Identity  
> provider
> as part of a larger product. But they do get extra revenues from the  
> SMS's
>
> I hope this clarifies, thanks for starting up the discussion with  
> your post.
>
>
> Kick
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Johannes Ernst [mailto:jernst+openid.net at netmesh.us]
> Verzonden: woensdag 26 augustus 2009 18:58
> Aan: nieuwsgroep at evidos.nl
> CC: openid-general at lists.openid.net
> Onderwerp: Re: [OpenID] FreeYourID shutting down
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 2:03, nieuwsgroep at evidos.nl wrote:
>
>> In some countries people are willing to pay for online  
>> authentication,
>
> Can you give specific examples?
>
>> Another option is the IDsense way, where RP's will start paying for
>> my valuable credentials
>
> What are you referring to here? Nico's post?
> http://blogs.verisign.com/innovation/2007/10/from_adsense_to_idsense_or_why 
> .
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