[OpenID] FreeYourID shutting down

[Peter Williams]

If users have well provisioned sim with pki, what value is openid
adding?

Might as well just do ssl client cert from phone to rp, where cross
certs represent the rp-centric trust model, the ssl handshake can
transfer a PAC with attributes, acting as sreg.

If you want, put a url in the cert, so one can do URL-based
correlation per the whole web2.0 model of integration.

The value of openid is the uci.


On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:18 PM, "Kick Willemse" <nieuwsgroep at evidos.nl>
wrote:

> Johannes,
>
> A good example is Turkey, where Mobile Operator Turkcell (35 million
> users)
> issues sim based PKI identities on mobile phones. Main  Within ten
> months of
> their launch, twelve banks and two stock brokerages were providing
> mobile
> signature services. The usage quickly
> spread beyond financial services, including several large
> corporations, plus
> government and health services. The number of ways you can use your
> Turkcell
> Mobil Imza (mobile signature) in Turkeyare expanding constantly. Now
> you can
> even submit your marriage application using this universal
> multipurpose
> electronic ID.
>
> In addition to the mobile signature service fee revenue, Turkcell
> expects
> reduced churn and increased customer loyalty by linking their
> subscribers' identities to their SIM cards. The fee for a signature
> is a SMS
> billed directly to the end-user.
>
> There is even an integration with OpenID> http://www.sifreyok.com
> (nopassword.com in Turkish)
>
> I am working on a similar model for the Dutch market.
>
> I wasn't aware of Nico's post and I think I have something different
> in mind
> for the term IDsense. What I was referring to is a model where
> consumers get
> some click revenue's every time some RP "clicks" on the consumers ID
> profile. Like a website owner getting some click revenue when somebody
> clicks on the google ads on his page. So what I suggest is that
> consumers
> get paid (by the RP) for every valuable authentication they do at a
> RP. An
> IDP could manage this IDSense type of revenue sharing. This might
> stimulate
> consumers to get a digital identity with LOA 3/4.
>
>> From your post on business models I suggest to make a distinction
>> between
> business to business Identity's and consumer identity's. I think in
> the
> B-t-B there is proof for profitable businessmodels. Look at all the
> SSL
> vendors and CA's issuing personal smartcards to accounting firms,
> lawyers
> etc.. For the consumer market it is still very difficult, especially
> when
> you offer it as a stand-alone business.  I think Turkey is an
> example, but
> it is a value added service to their current mobile services, social
> networks and banks could do the same. Like you refer to as Identity
> provider
> as part of a larger product. But they do get extra revenues from the
> SMS's
>
> I hope this clarifies, thanks for starting up the discussion with
> your post.
>
>
> Kick
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Johannes Ernst [mailto:jernst+openid.net at netmesh.us]
> Verzonden: woensdag 26 augustus 2009 18:58
> Aan: nieuwsgroep at evidos.nl
> CC: openid-general at lists.openid.net
> Onderwerp: Re: [OpenID] FreeYourID shutting down
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 2:03, nieuwsgroep at evidos.nl wrote:
>
>> In some countries people are willing to pay for online
>> authentication,
>
> Can you give specific examples?
>
>> Another option is the IDsense way, where RP's will start paying for
>> my valuable credentials
>
> What are you referring to here? Nico's post?
> http://blogs.verisign.com/innovation/2007/10/from_adsense_to_idsense_or_why
> .
> php
>
>
>
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