[OpenID] FW: Facebook Cooperation with German Email Providers?

Wed Aug 26 19:31:01 UTC 2009

Id be less negative on the likes of the hosted server - especially if the cost goes down to 15m

I found the same to be true with Microsoft Azure SAML2 SP server. It was a 15m cost too.

Using the google saml2 sp took me about a day (buts that's a year ago, when it was incredibly badly presented).

From: openid-general-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:openid-general-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Steven Livingstone-Perez
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:16 AM
To: Chris Messina; Luke Shepard
Cc: Clay Johnson; OpenID List
Subject: Re: [OpenID] FW: Facebook Cooperation with German Email Providers?

Personally i do think a bit more effort into softening the adoption of OpenID and oAuth libraries could only be a good thing.

I have been working extensively with the DotNetOAuth library and so appreciate the work that has to be done to integrate into existing systems, despite it being one of the best libraries out there.

You then compare it to RPX from JanRain which is literally 15 minutes work. Now, I know RPX is a hosted service but i do feel that something like it on top of the existing libraries could prove extremely valuable .... either as a WordPress like "drop in and it works" or language/platform specific SDK Starter Kits that make it easily customizable.

The issue is that many view the *libraries* as the core bits to these technologies whereas the end users (developers are the end users in this case) actually view the package as valuable... i.e. the library plus the ability to very quickly customize it etc.

The difficulty is that most developers want to work on the cool tricky parts and the packaging is less, erm sexy.

I'd be interested in where others think the various packages are at. In an ideal world i do believe pluggable OpenID and oAuth support should be the target.

steven
http://livz.org

From: Chris Messina<mailto:chris.messina at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:44 PM
To: Luke Shepard<mailto:lshepard at facebook.com>
Cc: Clay Johnson<mailto:cjohnson at sunlightfoundation.com> ; OpenID List<mailto:general at openid.net>
Subject: Re: [OpenID] FW: Facebook Cooperation with German Email Providers?

Great - that wasn't the feedback [1][2][3] from Clay Johnson from the Sunlight Foundation, so it'd be great work on simplifying the process of implementing OpenID - including better guidelines on UX (which have been in the works for a long time!).
I'm curious if they used an existing library for their implementation?

Chris

[1] http://twitter.com/cjoh/status/3542673990
[2] http://twitter.com/cjoh/status/3543149587
[3] http://twitter.com/cjoh/status/3543327836

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Luke Shepard <lshepard at facebook.com<mailto:lshepard at facebook.com>> wrote:
Hey Chris,

Good question - the general feedback for OpenID was pretty positive. Peter Martinazzi, the engineer who implemented it with the GMX side, said:

"
It was a pretty easy process.  The main difficulty was small things (change this in the UI, make sure to sign all of your info...) would take a whole day until they could be fixed since we were in different time zones.  If anything, using OpenID helped to make life easier because it mitigated a lot more of the small things that would have happened if we were integrating with some proprietary protocol.  So overall, Id say the OpenID was easy for them to implement and helped to prevent having to deal with more over night round trips.
"

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From: Chris Messina <chris.messina at gmail.com<http://chris.messina@gmail.com>>
To: Luke Shepard
Cc: OpenID List <general at openid.net<http://general@openid.net>>
Sent: Tue Aug 25 18:30:53 2009

Subject: Re: [OpenID] Facebook Cooperation with German Email Providers?
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Luke Shepard <lshepard at facebook.com<http://lshepard@facebook.com>> wrote:
But in no circumstances does the user enter their Facebook password anywhere but Facebook. We are using OpenID to avoid the password anti-pattern.

Music to my ears! ;)

Did you get any feedback from the GMX folks on implementing OpenID?

Chris

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