[OpenID] OpenID + Government

[Paul Madsen]

Peter, a good theory. But you forget to mention that NORAD intentionally 
scrambled the fighters late to allow the planes to get to the towers.

Peter Williams wrote:
> My value- such as it is- is as an outsider.
> 
> I measured 4 sources:
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> Sun Micro rsa conference presentation on their openid pilot; rationales for never being an rp
> Ping identity factors gating speed of adoption of openid2 - privileged acess
> Scott cantors view on openid2 generally, and saml as used in xrd; raw opinion, shared freely
> How the uk jisc pilot of openid framed the basis for it's total adoption failure in uk academia. Was it geared to fail?
> 
> Given these 4 inputs, I simply conjectured a link (liberty). I tested my conjecture by being a bit outlandish. CoMpared to the norm (fox news and msnbc), I was MILD in the imputations. Lots of Ifs, buts, shoulds, mays....that mature heads would recognize as method.
> 
> Don't get upset. It's just an experiment.
> 
> Little, powerless, clueless, skilless, informationless peter throws tiny word stone at mighty million dollar liberty standards lobbying machine ...and gets "over the top" reaction.
> 
> Why? Why such sensitivity?
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 11, 2009, at 5:29 PM, "John Bradley" <john.bradley at wingaa.com<mailto:john.bradley at wingaa.com>> wrote:
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> Peter, Brett
> 
> As a member of Liberty, Kantara, ICF, and OIDF.   I can say that I have never seen any indication of Liberty plotting against openID or info-card.  (I do go to most of the secret meetings)
> 
> The issue with physical access is more one of not trying to boil the ocean.
> 
> There is real desire by real government RPs to use open technologies and work with commercial identity providers.  There are RPs I am working with who want this yesterday.
> 
> This first step is hard enough.  Many people have been working hard for many months.
> 
> One of the ways we have been able to make progress is by limiting the scope.
> 
> We could have done physical access, LoA 4,  p-cards and other things.
> 
> The initial program by the GSA is a start not an end to the process.
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> There will be changes to the initial profiles and additional profiles as time and requirements permit.
> 
> This first step is a scary amount of work,  give us time please.
> 
> John B.
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> On 11-Aug-09, at 5:04 PM, <mailto:openid-general-request at lists.openid.net> openid-general-request at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-general-request at lists.openid.net> wrote:
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> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:43:29 -0700
> From: Peter Williams <<mailto:pwilliams at rapattoni.com>pwilliams at rapattoni.com<mailto:pwilliams at rapattoni.com>>
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] OpenID + Government
> To: Brett McDowell <<mailto:email at brettmcdowell.com>email at brettmcdowell.com<mailto:email at brettmcdowell.com>>
> Cc: OpenID List <<mailto:general at openid.net>general at openid.net<mailto:general at openid.net>>
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> If the infocard stack is technically reputable, can you explain why an
> accredited provider would be excluded from using it (and openid) from
> making assertions of physical presence?
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