[OpenID] OpenID + Government

[Peter Williams]

My value- such as it is- is as an outsider.

I measured 4 sources:

Sun Micro rsa conference presentation on their openid pilot; rationales for never being an rp
Ping identity factors gating speed of adoption of openid2 - privileged acess
Scott cantors view on openid2 generally, and saml as used in xrd; raw opinion, shared freely
How the uk jisc pilot of openid framed the basis for it's total adoption failure in uk academia. Was it geared to fail?

Given these 4 inputs, I simply conjectured a link (liberty). I tested my conjecture by being a bit outlandish. CoMpared to the norm (fox news and msnbc), I was MILD in the imputations. Lots of Ifs, buts, shoulds, mays....that mature heads would recognize as method.

Don't get upset. It's just an experiment.

Little, powerless, clueless, skilless, informationless peter throws tiny word stone at mighty million dollar liberty standards lobbying machine ...and gets "over the top" reaction.

Why? Why such sensitivity?



On Aug 11, 2009, at 5:29 PM, "John Bradley" <john.bradley at wingaa.com<mailto:john.bradley at wingaa.com>> wrote:

Peter, Brett

As a member of Liberty, Kantara, ICF, and OIDF.   I can say that I have never seen any indication of Liberty plotting against openID or info-card.  (I do go to most of the secret meetings)

The issue with physical access is more one of not trying to boil the ocean.

There is real desire by real government RPs to use open technologies and work with commercial identity providers.  There are RPs I am working with who want this yesterday.

This first step is hard enough.  Many people have been working hard for many months.

One of the ways we have been able to make progress is by limiting the scope.

We could have done physical access, LoA 4,  p-cards and other things.

The initial program by the GSA is a start not an end to the process.

There will be changes to the initial profiles and additional profiles as time and requirements permit.

This first step is a scary amount of work,  give us time please.

John B.

On 11-Aug-09, at 5:04 PM, <mailto:openid-general-request at lists.openid.net> openid-general-request at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-general-request at lists.openid.net> wrote:

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:43:29 -0700
From: Peter Williams <<mailto:pwilliams at rapattoni.com>pwilliams at rapattoni.com<mailto:pwilliams at rapattoni.com>>
Subject: Re: [OpenID] OpenID + Government
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If the infocard stack is technically reputable, can you explain why an
accredited provider would be excluded from using it (and openid) from
making assertions of physical presence?

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