[OpenID] Combining Google & Yahoo user experience research

[Chris Messina]

Perfect! Well, I asked Recordon about this over a month ago and I'm still
not clear on what the official policy is! I googled for "OpenID workgroup"
and came up empty; worse, I checked out openid.net and found nothing either.
How does one go about creating such a workgroup? What's required? And how do
we take the existing spec through an OpenID Extension process?

Thanks!

Chris

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst+openid.net@
netmesh.us> wrote:

> What about you charter EAUT as a proper OpenID workgroup, and then we talk?
> ;-)
> I really don't understand why it is not if you are serious about going in
> that direction ...
>
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2008, at 20:49 , Chris Messina wrote:
>
> Can I take a poll? With all this talk about email address
> mapping/translation -- I'm curious -- how many of you have actually read the
> EAUT (email address to URL translation) spec?
> http://eaut.org/specs/1.0/
>
> It seems like much of this conversation (the productive bits) could be had
> on the EAUT list [1], in order to move things forward and get the spec in a
> form that could be taken into an OpenID Extension, which could then pave the
> way for 1) establishing extension creation protocol and 2) make the spec
> ready for wider deployment/adoption.
>
> Not that all this talk of DNS and XRI isn't compelling, but I was hoping
> that we might get a solution in place before I turn 40.
>
> Chris
>
> P.S. I was born in 1981.
>
> [1] http://groups.google.com/group/eaut
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Brandon Ramirez <
> brandon.s.ramirez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's more than just request -> response.  It's also an intriguing model
>> for information resolution,  where the trust is centralized, but then
>> delegated out.
>>
>> Why shouldn't it be used for identity resolution as well?  An identity
>> (even more so from a computer's perspective) is merely a small set of data
>> with a chain of trust - just like most DNS lookups.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Martin Atkins <mart at degeneration.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>>> SitG Admin wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Putting it in DNS doesn't change the user-centricness, it just changes
>>> >> the means of publication.
>>> >
>>> > I disagree here; to use military terminology here (as learned from
>>> > analyses of Trusted Computing) for a moment, your DNS server is not a
>>> > Trusted party for your personal information! IT does not have access to
>>> > your personal information; YOU do. If a spammer (or stalker) wants to
>>> > learn where you live (so they have a physical address for snailmail
>>> spam
>>> > or home invasion), they cannot simply ask the DNS server where you
>>> live,
>>> > because the DNS server does not possess that information - they MUST
>>> > contact you, the user, directly, and in the process of making that
>>> > request they not only make you (the user) aware of it, but provoke the
>>> > distinct possibility that you will simply refuse to tell them!
>>> >
>>> > Your reply also suggested, though, that this level of control *can* be
>>> > present in DNS, which intrigues me :)
>>> >
>>>
>>> I was not suggesting that you should put your physical address or
>>> telephone number in DNS, just that you can publish in DNS information
>>> about how that information might be obtained, much as you publish on
>>> your web site how that information might be obtained.
>>>
>>> I'd also like to point out that HTTP URLs are themselves dependent on
>>> DNS. All you gain by publishing this information over HTTP rather than
>>> DNS is a couple more layers of indirection. I can't control my identity
>>> page on MyOpenID any more than I can control the contents of the
>>> myopenid.com DNS zone.
>>>
>>> Additionally, since DNS is a request->response protocol just like HTTP,
>>> there's no technical reason why you can't log requests and refuse to
>>> talk to certain clients if you wish. The domain name system is not magic.
>>>
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