[OpenID] Putting the "open" back into OpenID - a call tothe FSOSS community

Thu Mar 27 20:32:50 UTC 2008

Hey Max,
I think Tom was merely saying that having Open Source projects talk  
about what they're doing together with OpenID would be a good  
thing(tm).  I don't see it as being limiting to only Open Source, but  
it does seem like a reasonable theme to start with.

I'm also interested in others writing up case studies around OpenID,  
so if you'd be interested in that (or if anyone is) let me know!

--David

On Mar 27, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Max Metral wrote:

> I’m a little confused as to why we’re conflating open source and  
> OpenID… Not that there’s something wrong with FOSS, but if our point  
> is “It’s not open if you ‘allow’ sites to use your IDs but you won’t  
> use theirs”, I don’t see what the release policy of the source code  
> you run the service on has to do with it.
>
> From: general-bounces at openid.net [mailto:general-bounces at openid.net]  
> On Behalf Of David Recordon
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:13 PM
> To: Peter Williams
> Cc: OpenID List
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Putting the "open" back into OpenID - a call  
> tothe FSOSS community
>
> > So, I wonder how of the 11,000 places that accept openid are  
> Google blogspots?
>
> JanRain counts once per site.  Thus every Blogger blog combined = 1.
>
> Ignoring the flames, I think Tom's idea is a great one no matter  
> what anyone else may or may not be doing.  Having 10 FOSS projects  
> talking together about what they're doing with OpenID is wonderful.
>
> --David
>
> On Mar 27, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Peter Williams wrote:
>
>
> I not sure which cause folks are gearing up for a fight over.
>
> Its pretty obviously true that the traditional mega-plexes (LiveID,  
> Yahoo, AOL) are trying to exercise a disapportionate amount of  
> control - when offering a UCI identity yet being unwilling to rely  
> on those of others. This is somewhat like LiveJournal spewing our  
> FOAF files, that nobody can rely upon - for anything particularly  
> useful. Its all a very nice PR gimmick ... which was the  
> journalist's main point (as paraphrased by Peter).
>
> At least Google is bucking the trend, by offering to be SAML2 or  
> openid relying party (within a Google-as-TTP-SP-Hub risk model and  
> when whichever protocol best fits (currently) the app domain).
>
> Google is giving away free SAML2 IDP code... open source style. Its  
> promoting outsourcing your IDP to an id-broker bureau ... in its  
> newest Google Apps service (albeit SAML2, for now). Dont criticise  
> *them* for having a lack of open source commitement!  Obviously,   
> there is no shortage of openid open source materials to talk to  
> Google's blog service.
>
> ---------
>
> So, I wonder how of the 11,000 places that accept openid are Google  
> blogspots?
>
> I think we need a better definition of "adoption", so our cliams  
> stays credible - acting as a trustworthy indicator for professional  
> journalists, etc.
>
>
>
>
> From: David Recordon
> Sent: Thu 3/27/2008 8:48 AM
> To: tom
> Cc: OpenID List
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Putting the "open" back into OpenID - a call  
> to the FSOSS community
> Hey Tom,
> Between LiveJournal and now Movable Type Open Source, we're game.  I'd
> love to see this end up as something published by the Foundation, for
> whatever that ends up meaning. :)
>
> --David
>
> On Mar 26, 2008, at 11:07 PM, tom wrote:
>
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > I am fed up with those "I get the ID but not the open" comments that
> > arrive under blogs written about OpenID. [ latest here ->
> > http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/24/is-openid-being-exploited-by-the-big-internet-companies/
> > ]
> >
> > It's time to fight back and it's the Free software and Open source
> > (FSOSS) community that can best explain why OpenID is open and how  
> the
> > FSOSS is using it in an open way.
> >
> > We (Barnraiser) have three amazing [being humble] free software
> > products
> > built around OpenID. We've been able to do that because it's open.  
> We
> > wish to collaborate with 9 other members of the FSOSS community to
> > write
> > an article entitled  "10 FSOSS initiatives embracing OpenID" and we
> > want
> > to publish that to Slashdot, Techcrunch etc.
> >
> > We are looking for 9 other great, amazing and insanely awesome FSOSS
> > projects that want to join with us in being in the article, so if  
> you
> > are one of those please write to me with a few sentences outlining
> > your
> > project to me.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tom Calthrop
> > Founding director, Barnraiser.
> >
> > Dedicated to giving people the tools they need to share
> > knowledge and advance society through social software.
> >
> > Web site: http://www.barnraiser.org/
> > OpenID: http://tom.calthrop.info/
> >
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