[OpenID] Putting the "open" back into OpenID - a call tothe FSOSS community

Thu Mar 27 19:19:22 UTC 2008

I'm a little confused as to why we're conflating open source and
OpenID... Not that there's something wrong with FOSS, but if our point
is "It's not open if you 'allow' sites to use your IDs but you won't use
theirs", I don't see what the release policy of the source code you run
the service on has to do with it.

From: general-bounces at openid.net [mailto:general-bounces at openid.net] On
Behalf Of David Recordon
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:13 PM
To: Peter Williams
Cc: OpenID List
Subject: Re: [OpenID] Putting the "open" back into OpenID - a call tothe
FSOSS community

> So, I wonder how of the 11,000 places that accept openid are Google
blogspots?

JanRain counts once per site.  Thus every Blogger blog combined = 1.

Ignoring the flames, I think Tom's idea is a great one no matter what
anyone else may or may not be doing.  Having 10 FOSS projects talking
together about what they're doing with OpenID is wonderful.

--David

On Mar 27, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Peter Williams wrote:

I not sure which cause folks are gearing up for a fight over.

Its pretty obviously true that the traditional mega-plexes (LiveID,
Yahoo, AOL) are trying to exercise a disapportionate amount of control -
when offering a UCI identity yet being unwilling to rely on those of
others. This is somewhat like LiveJournal spewing our FOAF files, that
nobody can rely upon - for anything particularly useful. Its all a very
nice PR gimmick ... which was the journalist's main point (as
paraphrased by Peter).

At least Google is bucking the trend, by offering to be SAML2 or openid
relying party (within a Google-as-TTP-SP-Hub risk model and when
whichever protocol best fits (currently) the app domain).

Google is giving away free SAML2 IDP code... open source style. Its
promoting outsourcing your IDP to an id-broker bureau ... in its newest
Google Apps service (albeit SAML2, for now). Dont criticise *them* for
having a lack of open source commitement!  Obviously,  there is no
shortage of openid open source materials to talk to Google's blog
service.

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So, I wonder how of the 11,000 places that accept openid are Google
blogspots?

I think we need a better definition of "adoption", so our cliams stays
credible - acting as a trustworthy indicator for professional
journalists, etc.

________________________________

From: David Recordon
Sent: Thu 3/27/2008 8:48 AM
To: tom
Cc: OpenID List
Subject: Re: [OpenID] Putting the "open" back into OpenID - a call to
the FSOSS community

Hey Tom,
Between LiveJournal and now Movable Type Open Source, we're game.  I'd  
love to see this end up as something published by the Foundation, for  
whatever that ends up meaning. :)

--David

On Mar 26, 2008, at 11:07 PM, tom wrote:

> Hello folks,
> 
> I am fed up with those "I get the ID but not the open" comments that
> arrive under blogs written about OpenID. [ latest here ->
>
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/24/is-openid-being-exploited-by-the-bi
g-internet-companies/
> ]
> 
> It's time to fight back and it's the Free software and Open source
> (FSOSS) community that can best explain why OpenID is open and how the
> FSOSS is using it in an open way.
> 
> We (Barnraiser) have three amazing [being humble] free software  
> products
> built around OpenID. We've been able to do that because it's open. We
> wish to collaborate with 9 other members of the FSOSS community to  
> write
> an article entitled  "10 FSOSS initiatives embracing OpenID" and we  
> want
> to publish that to Slashdot, Techcrunch etc.
> 
> We are looking for 9 other great, amazing and insanely awesome FSOSS
> projects that want to join with us in being in the article, so if you
> are one of those please write to me with a few sentences outlining  
> your
> project to me.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tom Calthrop
> Founding director, Barnraiser.
> 
> Dedicated to giving people the tools they need to share
> knowledge and advance society through social software.
> 
> Web site: http://www.barnraiser.org/
> OpenID: http://tom.calthrop.info/
> 
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