[OpenID] Putting the "open" back into OpenID - a call to the FSOSS community

[tom calthrop]

Hi Peter,

With all due respect Peter I think you completely missed my point. The 
"fight" is with people commenting on blogs who question the "open" in 
->Open<-ID and my point is that it is the FSOSS community that are best 
placed to give a balanced argument as to why it is open and why FSOSS is 
embracing OpenID.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with "mega-plexes" which I assume 
means the corporate members.  Just for the record I don't think any 
corporate members are excerpting disproportionate amount of control. I'm 
very glad to have them around. Last week a developer at Google connected 
to our site and gave away that there OP works with our code and someone 
from Yahoo! was nice enough to leave a comment in our forum about a bug 
in our OpenID 2.0 classes - Although non of them know it right now they 
are creating a wave of media discussion around OpenID that I could not 
possibly generate making them into my combined testing, PR, Marketing 
and sales team. Hell, I just need Microsoft to buy me a holiday and I'll 
be the happiest kid on the block now;)

 > Dont criticise *them* for having a lack of open source commitment!  
Obviously,  there is no shortage of openid open source materials to talk 
to Google's blog service.

I did not as is obvious in my post and in the above comment criticize 
anyone. Please, in future, if you do not understand my post or point 
then ask me to clarify and I will.

Tom




Peter Williams wrote:
> I not sure which cause folks are gearing up for a fight over.
>  
> Its pretty obviously true that the traditional mega-plexes (LiveID, 
> Yahoo, AOL) are trying to exercise a disapportionate amount of control 
> - when offering a UCI identity yet being unwilling to rely on those of 
> others. This is somewhat like LiveJournal spewing our FOAF files, that 
> nobody can rely upon - for anything particularly useful. Its all a 
> very nice PR gimmick ... which was the journalist's main point (as 
> paraphrased by Peter).
>  
> At least Google is bucking the trend, by offering to be SAML2 or 
> openid relying party (within a Google-as-TTP-SP-Hub risk model and 
> when whichever protocol best fits (currently) the app domain).
>  
> Google is giving away free SAML2 IDP code... open source style. Its 
> promoting outsourcing your IDP to an id-broker bureau ... in its 
> newest Google Apps service (albeit SAML2, for now). Dont criticise 
> *them* for having a lack of open source commitement!  Obviously, 
>  there is no shortage of openid open source materials to talk to 
> Google's blog service.
>  
> ---------
>  
> So, I wonder how of the 11,000 places that accept openid are Google 
> blogspots?
>  
> I think we need a better definition of "adoption", so our cliams stays 
> credible - acting as a trustworthy indicator for professional 
> journalists, etc.
>  
>
>
>  
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* David Recordon
> *Sent:* Thu 3/27/2008 8:48 AM
> *To:* tom
> *Cc:* OpenID List
> *Subject:* Re: [OpenID] Putting the "open" back into OpenID - a call 
> to the FSOSS community
>
> Hey Tom,
> Between LiveJournal and now Movable Type Open Source, we're game.  I'd  
> love to see this end up as something published by the Foundation, for  
> whatever that ends up meaning. :)
>
> --David
>
> On Mar 26, 2008, at 11:07 PM, tom wrote:
>
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > I am fed up with those "I get the ID but not the open" comments that
> > arrive under blogs written about OpenID. [ latest here ->
> > http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/24/is-openid-being-exploited-by-the-big-internet-companies/
> > ]
> >
> > It's time to fight back and it's the Free software and Open source
> > (FSOSS) community that can best explain why OpenID is open and how the
> > FSOSS is using it in an open way.
> >
> > We (Barnraiser) have three amazing [being humble] free software  
> > products
> > built around OpenID. We've been able to do that because it's open. We
> > wish to collaborate with 9 other members of the FSOSS community to  
> > write
> > an article entitled  "10 FSOSS initiatives embracing OpenID" and we  
> > want
> > to publish that to Slashdot, Techcrunch etc.
> >
> > We are looking for 9 other great, amazing and insanely awesome FSOSS
> > projects that want to join with us in being in the article, so if you
> > are one of those please write to me with a few sentences outlining  
> > your
> > project to me.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Tom Calthrop
> > Founding director, Barnraiser.
> >
> > Dedicated to giving people the tools they need to share
> > knowledge and advance society through social software.
> >
> > Web site: http://www.barnraiser.org/
> > OpenID: http://tom.calthrop.info/
> >
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