[OpenID] Fwd: Several Questions for the Current & Future Board

Tue Dec 23 00:01:16 UTC 2008

Yes, the goal is to be able to reuse this tool for various types of  
votes with the Foundation's membership.

--David

On Dec 20, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Peter Williams wrote:

> Now the foundation has voting tools, is there intent to use it on an  
> ongoing basis (dropping the email roll call practices, mentioned  
> below)?
>
> If not, why not?
>
> Seems as good as what comes built into msft exchange/outlook  (where  
> anyone can easily organize a mini vote by email, with auto result  
> counting - and verification based on eddy's oft used p7c email  
> signatures (if crypto-based assurance levels are called for)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chris.messina at gmail.com <chris.messina at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:55 AM
> To: general at openid.net <general at openid.net>
> Subject: [OpenID] Fwd:  Several Questions for the Current & Future  
> Board
>
>
> (reply-to missed the list)
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: chris.messina at gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:54:45 -0800
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Several Questions for the Current & Future Board
> To: Martin Atkins <mart at degeneration.co.uk>
>
> Indeed, considering that most votes of the board are done with email
> roll call (+1, -1, abstain), we have no idea whether someone's email
> account has been hijacked or whether someone is holding a gun to their
> head as they hit send.
>
> Still, I think Martin's point is perfectly valid at present: since the
> eligible number of voters is small, and since the list of members is
> currently not even public, it's hard to imagine tampering.
>
> Heck, as a candidate I don't even know who I should be campaigning
> for! ;) (It's not like there's a list of swing OPs or even anecdotal
> polling going on!).
>
> Still, I would be curious about making sure there's integrity in the
> outcome, and that, as the foundation grows, our mechanisms for
> ensuring as much scale.
>
> Chris
> On 12/20/08, Martin Atkins <mart at degeneration.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Nat,
>>
>> I agree that the election should be as transparent as possible.
>>
>> However, on the topic of voter anonymity and coersion, I agree that  
>> this
>> may be a problem in a national election or something of similar
>> significance, but since there is comparatively little to be gained  
>> from
>> being on the board of directors for the OpenID Foundation I would not
>> expect candidates to go to such lengths as threatening voters with
>> weapons in order to get votes.
>>
>> It would be interesting, however, to hear about how other  
>> organisations
>> with an elected board or similar structure handle this situation.
>>
>> Nat Sakimura wrote:
>>> Just for a record, I am in favor of making the software
>>> publicly inspect-able etc.
>>> Transparency matters, and it is one of the greatest tool that we are
>>> given.
>>> From previous posts on other topics, I think you have found that I  
>>> am a
>>> fan of transparency.
>>>
>>> Now that the election is almost over, I may as well comment on the
>>> issues on the e-voting.
>>> Guaranteeing a free will voting is a hard topic. The reason we  
>>> have a
>>> closed room in person anonymous voting with inspectors in most  
>>> political
>>> elections are actually to guarantee it.
>>> When it comes to e-voting, this gets rather hard.
>>>
>>> In e-voting scenario, there is no inspector at the time of voting.  
>>> It
>>> may just so happen that the person was forced to vote with a gun. To
>>> mitigate it, one has to be allowed to change his vote. (Still not
>>> perfect, but is much better.)
>>>
>>> There also has to be a guarantee of anonymity because it may  
>>> result in a
>>> retaliation.
>>> I do not know how it was assured in this election, but perhaps the  
>>> fact
>>> that we were not allowed to re-cast the vote was related to it. I  
>>> do not
>>> have a solution to fulfill the both requirement. Perhaps a person  
>>> with
>>> more knowledge in this field can enlighten me.
>>>
>>> For financial transparency: there has to be, and I have repeatedly  
>>> made
>>> this statement, so my position has been pretty clear, I hope.
>>>
>>> =nat
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:30 PM, David Fuelling <sappenin at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:sappenin at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    Hey all,
>>>
>>>    I have a few questions for either the current or future board  
>>> members:
>>>
>>>       1. What kind of software are we using for the election, who
>>>          created it, and will it be released publicly for
>>>          audit/inspection purposes?
>>>             1. Do current candidate have an opinion about OIDF  
>>> voting
>>>                software being publicly inspectable/available?
>>>       2. Does the OIDF currently make it's budget and financial
>>>          expenditure information public?
>>>             1. Do current candidate have a position on providing  
>>> full
>>>                financial transparency of OIDF moving forward?
>>>
>>>    Thanks!
>>>
>>>    David
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
>>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
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