[OpenID] [OpenID board] wiki.openid.net is now set up
Dick Hardt
dick.hardt at gmail.com
Sat Dec 20 00:52:33 UTC 2008
Peter,
How about you test the service to see the issues, and if you think
there important, it would be great to see if you can get the vendor to
fix any issues that come up. If they are unable or unwilling, would
you help us find a comparable service that does not have the issues
you describe?
-- Dick
On 19-Dec-08, at 2:00 PM, Peter Williams wrote:
> This sound like the highest common denominator conception in effect:
> Users who don’t choose the dominant OPs/IDPs/brands are just placing
> themselves in the 20%, and thus should really by have learned to
> “expect” performance/reliability issues. It’s the visa brand model
> (that won! over the store cards) So you the consumer do have a UCI
> “free choice” of OPs …as they ARE all equal. But, in reality, some
> OPs are more equal than others.
>
> There is an alternative. As “customer,“ Foundation tells outsourcer
> (“PbWiki”) to use Debian trust model (i.e. CTL=Debian). It would
> tell it to do this for the Foundation’s pbwiki, but would not gell
> PBWiki to do it for the wiki its hosting for IBM, say). When the
> Foundation updates it own reliance policy on CAs, as the dominant
> SP, it requires PbWiki to apply the same CTP policy to the
> Foundation’s wiki (within 1h say).
>
> I have no doubt PbWiki will do absolutely nothing for me, a user, if
> I use their “issues pages”. I am not a customer, and dont pay a
> dime. I thus have no voice, in any well run business. I’ll just get
> some faff answer.
>
> BTW: Thanks to PbWiki for (a) hosting the new wiki (b) being a
> talking-horse. None of this discussion in any way is supposed to
> diminish their contribution to the Foundation. I extol their efforts
> and their willingness to let their offering be used in the public
> commentary. They sound, like phonefactor do with MyOpenID, like
> folks who know how to support standards efforts - and get sales
> lead generation in return. Good for them!
>
> From: Chris Messina [mailto:chris.messina at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:31 PM
> To: Peter Williams
> Cc: Dick Hardt; OpenID List
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] [OpenID board] wiki.openid.net is now set up
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Peter Williams <pwilliams at rapattoni.com
> > wrote:
> I'd be happy to make trials of some https OpenIDs against Foundation-
> related service providers, where one would naturally expect what
> works at 1 to work at the others.
>
> Great.
>
> Can we agree that the expectation stated above is reasonable (at
> least for those assertion "consumers" in the Foundation's very own
> private "affiliation group")?
>
> Personally I have a hard time agreeing to this. I tend to desire
> serving the 80% use cases first, and once those are adequately
> addressed, then I look to see if I can make the experience more
> tolerable for the remaining 20%.
>
> If the OpenID community collectively had infinite resources, then I
> might gladly agree, but that is not the case, therefore when it
> comes to setting priorities, I tend to think that warming a snail
> shell's worth of water with a magnifying glass won't get me any
> closer to raising the temperature of the ocean by a single degree.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dick Hardt [mailto:dick.hardt at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:46 AM
> > To: Peter Williams
> > Cc: OpenID List
> > Subject: Re: [OpenID] [OpenID board] wiki.openid.net is now set up
> >
> > Hey Peter
> >
> > Good suggestions!
> >
> > Would you be interested in helping check if things work as you would
> > expect, and if, would you be willing to help make things work as
> > expected?
> >
> > -- Dick
> >
> > On 19-Dec-08, at 11:34 AM, Peter Williams wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Can we login with https OpenIDs?
> > >
> > > Can the operator ensure that Foundation operational policy's on
> CAs
> > > is enacted by its pbwiki outsourcer (at least for the Foundation's
> > > particular wiki)?
> > >
> > > It will be silly if I can SSO with an https openid to the
> election,
> > > but I cannot SSO with the same https openid to the pbwiki. Would
> > > make the universality of the SSO concept look broken, for a
> consumer.
> > >
> > > I'm going to attempt join my client's (CAcert-endorsed) https
> Openid
> > > membership account, for voting purposes.
> > >
> > > (Though Eddy might protest that the Foundation is not served by
> > > agreeing to that business partners legal terms) As a user, I'd
> want
> > > the CA-cert endorsed https OpeniD viable for the membership.voting
> > > site to also work on the Foundation's wiki.
> > >
> > > Surely the Foundation's various services would all accept the same
> > > (https) openid (even when outsourced to some or other SAAS, this
> > > week)?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd what the same grade of discovery authentication endorsement
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: general-bounces at openid.net [mailto:general-
> > >> bounces at openid.net] On
> > >> Behalf Of Scott Kveton
> > >> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:59 AM
> > >> To: board at openid.net
> > >> Cc: OpenID List
> > >> Subject: Re: [OpenID] [OpenID board] wiki.openid.net is now set
> up
> > >>
> > >> Great work on this Chris ... thanks for taking the charge on
> this.
> > >>
> > >> - Scott
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Chris Messina
> > >> <chris.messina at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> As you've probably seen, we've been making efforts to move the
> > >>> MediaWiki-based OpenID wiki to PBWiki.
> > >>> The transition is complete and the new wiki is available
> > >>> at http://wiki.openid.net (same as the old address).
> > >>> Not all pages from the previous wiki have been ported, but the
> plan
> > >> is to
> > >>> mothball that content at old-wiki.openid.net. The primary reason
> > for
> > >> not
> > >>> moving all the old pages over is that much of the content is
> out of
> > >> date,
> > >>> inaccurate or no longer useful.
> > >>> In order to edit the wiki, you will need to sign in. Fortunately
> > >>> this
> > >> wiki,
> > >>> unlike the old wiki, permits OpenID authentication:
> > >>> https://my.pbwiki.com/openid
> > >>> If you have any questions, let me know or post them here.
> > >>> If you have general comments about PBWiki, you can visit their
> > >> support
> > >>> forum:
> > >>> http://getsatisfaction.com/pbwiki/topics
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Chris
> > >>>
> > >>> --
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> > >>>
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