[OpenID] Japan Report 2008-12-13

Sat Dec 13 10:50:55 UTC 2008

Yeah, great news from Japan!

I wrote a little bit of my thoughts in a post yesterday (http://daveman692.livejournal.com/343116.html 
):
> Bringing together the various international organizations. It  
> doesn't help that the OpenID Foundation, OpenID Europe Foundation,  
> and OpenID's Japanese Chapter largely operate independently. We must  
> find a structure that works around the World so that companies only  
> need to join/support one organization, agree to one set of policies,  
> and there be many voices moving one message World-wide. (This is why  
> I've cast two of my seven votes in this election for Nat who runs  
> the Japanese Chapter and Snorri who runs the European Foundation.)

It's hard to do this well and I've seen plenty of different models  
each with their own pros and cons.  I think if we always start with  
the question of "how can we look unified" then we at least have  
something to guide us to the answers.

--David

On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Nat Sakimura wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Yes. I think it would be the way to form OpenID U.S. and OpenID  
> Canada to deal with the local issues there. Laws, Cultures,  
> Languages etc. are different in each regions and that requires  
> specific measures that cannot be dealt at "international" levels.  
> Actually, this is one of the thing that I would like to help make it  
> happen once I get elected to the board.
>
> As to the US$1 voting is concerned, that is potentially interesting,  
> but voting actually is a hard topic. How do we make it insulated  
> from gaming, how do we make it sure that it is a free will vote,  
> etc. are very difficult issues that needs to be dealt with carefully.
>
> Cheers,
>
> =nat
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Mike Kirkwood <mike at polka.com> wrote:
> Nat
>
> Your leadership, and Japan's is fun to watch.  Feels like something  
> big is happening.
>
> First thing I thought though was, "Wonder what is in the U.S. groups  
> report".
>
> Then, thinking about it, not sure if there is a U.S. group in  
> OpenID, or if like some other technologies that are started in U.S.  
> assumes U.S. is represented.   Long story short, perhaps one way to  
> spread out all of the love (and energy) of the OpenID is to form a  
> group that focuses on U.S.   Counterbalance any U.S.-ness on the  
> group in a way that strengthens the foundations ability to focus on  
> it's global mission.    Realize that anyone can nominate themselves  
> for a vote....like =Nat (+1), but thinking a few additional steps in  
> the future might go a long way.
>
> Interesting to think how the elections would work if every person  
> who had an OpenID voted.  Seems like that base functionality would  
> suggest that system that created OpenIDs provided a way to vote and  
> provide feedback to OIDF directly.  And if every person that used  
> it, paid $1 to the foundation for the privilege to vote and be a  
> part of it.
>
> Just a few ramblings, or dreams.   Just noting that it does seem key  
> for the group to continue to make moves that stand on solid  
> international grounds to continue the momentum.
>
> Since we have a few extra board members, perhaps there might be a  
> use for a U.S. group in the future, count me in if it sounds like a  
> good idea.
>
> --Mike
> ________________________________________
> From: general-bounces at openid.net [general-bounces at openid.net] On  
> Behalf Of Nat Sakimura [sakimura at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 6:28 PM
> To: general at openid.net List
> Subject: [OpenID] Japan Report 2008-12-13
>
> Hi All:
>
> Here is the activity report from Japan for the first half of December.
> Hope it is helpful to the community as a whole. (I have posted more  
> or less the same thing in my blog http://www.sakimura.org/en/ as  
> well.)
>
> I. OpenID BizDay #1
>
> On Dec. 12, OpenID Foundation Japan had a members only seminar  
> titled "OpenID BizDay#1", hosted by Yahoo! Japan.
> BizDay is something OIDF-J is providing to the members as the  
> benefit of being a paying member.
> It is intended to be a forum for the members to share their business  
> (non-technical) experience.
>
> Dec. 12 was the first such occasion, and over 60 people across the  
> industries attended it.
>
> The agenda was as follows:
>
> 0. Opening Welcome Message: Koji Yagi, President, OpenID Foundation  
> Japan
> 1. Keynote: "Next Generation e-government services and security -  
> loosely coupled databases and Government-Industry collaboration."
>     Prof. Osamu Sudo, The University of Tokyo
> 2. "Yahoo! JAPAN and OpenID", Tetsuya Nishimaiki, CTO, Yahoo! Japan.
> 3. "Developments in the U.S.", Tatsuki Sakushima, NRI-A
> 4. "Interoperability considerations on ID management: A Concordia  
> Project", Hiroki Ito, NTT
> 5. Status report on the progress of OpenID Japan's activity. Nat  
> Sakimura, NRI
> 6. OIDF-J Activity Reports, Noboru Uchiyama, OpenID Japan/NRI
> 7. Member announcements and forthcoming OpenID Japan activities.
>  - mixi OpenID Contest, Hiroyuki Oyama, mixi
>  - OpenID BizDay #2, Noboru Uchiyama, OpenID Japan/NRI
>
> To start the BizDay #1, Mr. Yagi gave a welcome message to the  
> members for joining this forum.
> He also announced that now OIDF-J has 3 additional members: Hitachi,  
> HP Japan, Indigo, that now it has 40 corporate members.
>
> Prof. Osamu Sudo is a renowned government advisor and is an advisor  
> to the OpenID Foundation Japan.
> He gave us the current e-gov situation and his insight on how OpenID  
> etc. can help the situation.
>
> Mr. Nishimaki gave an overview on the rationale for Yahoo! Japan to  
> invest and support OpenID, and shared the roadmap with OIDF-J  
> members. Also, he shared business ideas that Yahoo! Japan is  
> considering right now.
> It was also good to hear Yahoo! Japan's basic privacy policy: "The  
> customer owns the information he registered to Yahoo! Japan."
>
> Tatsuki gave us an update on the U.S. OpenID related development,  
> such as the Board Election, New Working Groups being formed, XRD 1.0  
> at OASIS Open, etc. Then, he finished off his speach with the  
> mention of OpenID PAPE - SAML Authn Context interoperability project  
> which is supposed to be demoed at RSA 2009. This acted as a good  
> introduction to HIroki's announcement and introduction of the OpenID- 
> SAML Interop Concordia project.
>
> Nat gave a brief status report on the SIG formation etc. There has  
> been bunch of SIG proposals and the option of starting them  
> simultaneously were considered, but the direction now is to start  
> one to debug the process, and then start others.
>
> Then, Mr. Uchiyama reported on the activities of the past two weeks  
> including Web 2008 Conference that OIDF-J sponsored.
>
> The last portion was member announcement. There were two announcement.
>
> The first one was the announcement of mixi OpenID Competition for  
> students. Awards are going to be given to the teams with  
> implementation that leverage on the social graph represented by mixi  
> OpenID. Juries are composed of two people from mixi, one from OIDF- 
> J, and two others.
>
> The second announcement was the next OpenID BizDay hosted by Japan  
> Airlines. It will be on January 16.
> It will feature Japan Airlines' OpenID strategies as keynote.
>
> II. e-Gov Guideline Creation Council - Security Working Group  
> Meeting #3
>
> Right after the BizDay #1, Nat rushed to this meeting to give his  
> presentation this council.
> This council is supposed to create a national guideline for e-Gov  
> and possibly to the private sector for the usability and identity  
> assurance. Prof. Sudo, an advisor to OIDF-J, is the chairman of this  
> council. (Mr. Mitsushio, a member of OIDF-J, and the leader of the  
> security working group of CIO aide of ministries, is another member  
> of the council.)
>
> For details, see http://www.kantei.go.jp/jp/singi/it2/guide/ 
> index.html (Sorry, it is in Japanese.)
>
> The Agenda was as follows:
>
> 1. Opening Remarks
> 2. Status of E-Sigs usage
> 3. On the "Inference articles" of the e-sig and authentication law.
> 4. Technical Trends in the technologies that impacts user interface
>  4.1 SmartCards and NFC phones
>  4.2 Web SSO
>
> I could only attend 4.2 (i.e., my speech) because of BizDay #1  
> obligation, so I cannot report on anything but my speech and  
> discussion followed it. My presentation was on OpenID and SAML  
> including PAPE and CX proposal, and gave several case studies as  
> well. It was very well accepted. In the following discussion, the  
> importance of the NIST SP800-63 style assurance framework and  
> guidelines that can be used across government and private sectors  
> were noted.
>
> IMHO, this kind of activity is very important for OpenID adoption.  
> There are many companies hesitant to become an RP because the  
> assurance level and legal implication of being a RP is not clear.  
> This kind of council will eventually come up with a national  
> guideline and possibly a new law that covers these and thus make it  
> much easier for something new like OpenID to be adopted.
>
>
> III. IdCon #4
>
> On Dec. 10, IdCon #4 was held, hosted by NRI.
>
> IdCon is a gathering of identity engineers and architects started  
> earlier this year by tkudo and =zigorou.
> It is a grass-root activity which does not require a membership fee.
> It makes a good companion with OIDF-J, which is a for fee membership  
> organization.
>
> IdCon #4 was a fifth such event this year. (We started off from  
> IdCon #0, by the way.)
>
> IdCon #4 featured following sessions:
>
> - Possibility of Mobile OpenID, =zigorou, Cybozu Labs.
> - Liberty People Service, =hiroki, NTT Information Sharing Lab.
> - Recent Developments around OpenID, =nat, NRI
> - Drinking Party :-)
>
> =zigorou gave detailed analysis of the limitation of the current  
> phones available in Japan and the impact of that to OpenID.
>
> =hiroki gave an overview of Liberty People Service.
>
> =nat gave an overview of the recent development around OpenID, such  
> as the board election, new WGs, Dick Hardt going to Microsoft, etc.
>
> One of the feature of IdCon is that it always coupled with drinking  
> party afterwards. It is a very valuable socializing event.
>
> The next IdCon (i.e., IdCon #5) will be hosted by NTT and expected  
> to be around the cherry blossom time so that we can go on an outing  
> for cherry blossom viewing afterwards.
>
>
> IV. Web 2008 Conference
>
> On Dec. 3, Web 2008 Expo was held in Shibuya, Tokyo, Japan.
> OIDF-J sponsored the event.
>
> =nat gave the keynote speech, and OIDF-J hosted two sessions:
>  * Enterprise OpenID by Mr. Sakamoto of Verisign
>  * Internet and OpenID, Nob Seki, Vice-Chair OpenID Foundation Japan  
> membership
>
> In the keynote, about 250 people showed up. In the break out  
> sessions, somewhere between 50 to 70 people were there.
>
> To my surprise, almost everybody in the Keynote session knew OpenID,  
> and judging from the hands raised, about 50% has one, 30% have used  
> one, and 15% is still using it.
>
> Seki-san asked another question to the audience in his session: "Are  
> you planning for starting an OpenID based service?"
>
> A lot of them were, which was encouraging.
>
> --
> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
>
>
>
> -- 
> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
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