[OpenID] Voting confidentiality

Chris Messina chris.messina at gmail.com
Thu Dec 11 18:58:45 UTC 2008 

Just to put this request in perspective, not all the candidates are active
contributors to this mailing list; indeed it seems that some of the
candidates actually spend more time OFF of mailing lists than they do on --
so finding another means of gauging the candidates' commitment to OpenID
besides a query on this list might be appropriate -- just to make sure that
we don't end up summarily arriving at a judgment when those in question
simply weren't aware that they were being judged.
Chris

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Peter Williams <pwilliams at rapattoni.com>wrote:

>  Paul
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> Arn't  election-time disputes fun! Candidates quickly become issue focused
> (once communications become inflected with just a touch of invective)
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> You and I will be find ourselves mostly in agreement on the future of
> openid I suspect -  but will speak to a different affiliation groups.  If it
> doesn't falter in the next 6 months, by bickering over money, influence and
> power-politics, OpenID has quite a predictable curve ahead of it  - driven
> by the strange duality of the websso and UCI properties. Both properties
> necessarily contribute to what the openid momentum is so far due to – though
> (I suspect) you and your affiliates may disagree on the latter.
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> We are now up to ~12 candidates have demonstrated basic skills in openid.
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> ~5 have not.
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> If the illustrious Canadian in the remaining ~5 wants to invest 15m at
> http://bloggerindraft.blogspot.com/2007/11/new-feature-openid-commenting.htmland post a list of his/her research papers, that's fine. Is he or she the
> one that just used a 13th century monarchy's power to suspend the Canadian
> parliament!?
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> My little rule set (now) calls for **any** "even trivial" demonstration -
> showing a personal endorsement of openid.
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> The core criteria ensures that the individual personally endorses the UCI
> property of openid – as demonstrated by being publicly associated with at
> least one act of reliance on any openid, issued by any OP.
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> And, Paul! Note, I don't have a vote. I have an endorsement. It's a much
> more powerful instrument of power.
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> Since it is based on openid/UCI, we will soon see how non discriminatory
> this election process has been. Util proven otherwise, I assume it will be
> run in practice using the kind of election rules US history is unfortunately
> infamous for, world-side: rigged to dis-enfranchise certain groups of folks
> (year after  year, decade after  decade, century after century).
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> We will now see, in our little sphere, if my voters' CA(s) are excluded
> from those the election software will accept, and thus the election policy –
> as manifest in the practices used to configure the software -prevents my
> voters' https openid being actually used - when certain members' cast their
> ballot using their choice of openid provider.
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> As the election process becomes clearer, these issues will surely all fall
> out and become accepted - in the wash of the next 2 weeks.
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> *From:* Paul Madsen [mailto:paulmadsen at rogers.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:52 AM
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> *To:* Peter Williams
> *Cc:* general at openid.net
> *Subject:* Re: [OpenID] Voting confidentiality
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> Peter, seems to me that the challenges OpenID faces are no longer primarily
> technical, and so criteria that might have been valid 1-2 years ago are no
> longer necessarily so.
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> I'd rather have had the candidates debating each other's policies on those
> challenges these last 2 weeks than defending the (surely built-in) OpenID
> support of whatever blogging platform they use (or challenging their
> respective corporate affiliations).
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> Regardless, you vote your way, I'll do the same.
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> Paul
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> Peter Williams wrote:
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> I'd be embarrassed, personally, if I was standing for a non-profit
> corporation's board seat on one that is fundamentally a  technology
> initiative - and never had personally used the technology I will be offering
> my "counsel".
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> So, who is it?
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> Please unmask the name of (Canadian?) Candidate who cannot show s/he has *
> *used** openid, personally or professionally.
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> Who is it who cannot be bothered to spend 10m on Blogger and see an openid
> experience. Who cannot be bothered to spent 5m on myopenid, get an openid,
> and leave a comment on their own  blogger site?
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> I'm used to high power folk on high power Boards, Paul. But this isn't a
> high power board. So far, it's been a bunch or pretty average programmer
> types turned product managers. And there is nothing wrong with that. That's
> how the web was won in the first place, by the CERN-3 contingent. We even
> have one of them in our midst!
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> *From:* Paul Madsen [mailto:paulmadsen at rogers.com <paulmadsen at rogers.com>]
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> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:01 AM
> *To:* Peter Williams
> *Cc:* general at openid.net
> *Subject:* Re: [OpenID] Voting confidentiality
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> Whether or not their blog, wiki etc supports OpenID is way down on my list
> of criteria for a qualified candidate for the board.
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> I don't expect Canadian politicians to be active research scientists - but
> rather to create, fund & push policies that support scientific research.
>
> paul
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> Peter Williams wrote:
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> ~6 of 17 folks have reported that openid actually makes at least a little
> difference to their life on the web:  there is evidence they have bothered
> to integrate it with their own or their professional blog site.
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> ~11 have not indicated that they actually use openid (in practice).
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> Ok. Ill open up the rules a bit. The candidate's claim to be ACUTALLY using
> openid does not have to be a blog comment form. It could be a wiki, or a
> registration site they manage, or…**anything** (in public) that I can apply
> myopenid. Ideally, I should be able to find the openid logo (so I don't hit
> the initial Snorri situation). If your firm is selling travel wiki software,
> and its customers are using openid in practice to flog airtickets, that's
> fine! Anything will do!
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> *From:* general-bounces at openid.net [mailto:general-bounces at openid.net<general-bounces at openid.net>]
> *On Behalf Of *Mike Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:05 PM
> *To:* general at openid.net
> *Subject:* [OpenID] Voting confidentiality
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> We have 17 great candidates for 7 positions.  Please cast your votes!
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>                                                                 -- Mike
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