[OpenID] Long live the plebs!!! :-D Re: What are openids weaknesses?

Fri Sep 7 16:47:45 UTC 2007

Moghadam, Valentine M., ed. Identity Politics and Women: Cultural
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From: Jaco Aizenman [mailto:skorpio at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:16 AM
To: Peter Williams
Cc: OpenID List
Subject: Re: Long live the plebs!!! :-D Re: [OpenID] What are openids
weaknesses?

Hey fellow P. the Pleb!, sorry for my delay because of my non-virtual
activities..., my answers below...             ;-)

On 9/4/07, Peter Williams < pwilliams at rapattoni.com
<mailto:pwilliams at rapattoni.com> > wrote:

You are saying that if I use a virtual openID in a virtual reality
community issued by a virtual OP, I can still be accountable for acts
performed and representations made in the real world.

Depends on the contract you signed with the virtual OP and the laws of
your country... 

I am saying that this kind of questions most probably will be answered
in the future by Supreme Judges (constitutional Judges) in every
country...  (after the virtual personality human right is included in
the Constitution) 

BTW, what do you mean by a virtual openID?. Is there any non-virtual
(presential as opposed to virtual) openID?

	If a (SAML2 pseudonym NameID-based) naming firewall between the
virtual reality world and the real world is breached, yes the nastygram
I sent in my virtual presence via my virtual OpenID (as verified using
assertions of my virtual infocard) can be used to hold me accountable in
Thailand today when it adjudged that my persona did defame the King of
Thailand enthroned in 1550.

This depend on the legislation of the country where you are being
processed...

	Or, yes, you can be legally recognized as an unindicted
co-conspirator, and - yes - employers need not hire you because of that
(legal) fact. Have a formal arrest record (as witness, merely) that is
also lawful basis for discrimination.

Again, this depends on the legislation of the country where you are
being processed... 

BTW, the constitutional amendment to this new fundamental right
specifically mentions that "it can not be used for discriminatory ends
harming its bearer". 

BTW, please note that virtual personality(2) it is not just about
content, like the Thailand example you wrote, but also about presence
and projection.

Another relevant change is the contract editions that the OP, IdP and
others will have to make, if they want to have  a contract and business
that it is legal and not illegal. An example of what Google and MSN may
have to change is here: 

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfdrkkds_70gsm7tj

(1)

"Every person has the right to have or not to have a virtual
personality, where its presence, content and projection is regulated by
each one of them.  

It can not be used for discriminatory ends harming its bearer.  

The State will guarantee that the information included in the virtual
personality have the adequate juridical and technical security; with the
exclusion of third parties not authorized that pretend to obtain it.  

The State could use the content of the virtual personality of the
person, previous authorization of the person, and always just if it is
in the benefit and advantage of the person."

The full text is here: http://personalidadvirtual.blogspot.com/  

An interview with the main promoter of this new human right, a Costa
Rican Magistrate (High Supreme Court Judge) is here: 
http://www.prensalibre.co.cr/2007/marzo/17/abanico08.php

A Costa Rican Congress newsletter where it mentions a session of the
Comitteee processing this constitutional amendment is here: 
http://www.asamblea.go.cr/actual/boletin/2006/oct06/24oct06.htm

(2) http://cis-berkman.editme.com/JacoLexiconChange2

	But there is at least another level playing with the difference
between denotational and referential semantics of identity. If I enter a
virtual space with my openid-identified avatar, and I then virtual
dollars to buy and play an virtual-online  role playing game as George
Washington doing with my human property howsoever I actually did
historically (censored), should I be accountable in this world for the
behavior there, even when merely role playing historical fact, as judged
by current proscriptions about hate and human dignity?

Again, depends on the legislation of the country you are being
processed...

	Yes, say I.

You are lucky that you live in 2007 in a democracy, and your opinion
counts, and not a slave in Rome...       ;-) 

	Asymmetric information warfare is all about this juxtaposition
of identities and the associated realities. 

	Can you please provide some links to learn more about this last
sentence you wrote?. 

-- 
Jaco Aizenman L.
My iname is =jaco (http://xri.net/=jaco)
Founder                - www.virtualrights.org 
XDI Board member - www.xdi.org
Tel/Voicemail: 506-3461570 
Costa Rica

What is an i-name?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-name 

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