[OpenID] Long live the plebs!!! :-D Re: What are openids weaknesses?

[Jaco Aizenman]

Hey fellow P. the Pleb!, sorry for my delay because of my non-virtual
activities..., my answers below...             ;-)

On 9/4/07, Peter Williams <pwilliams at rapattoni.com> wrote:
>
>  You are saying that if I use a virtual openID in a virtual reality
> community issued by a virtual OP, I can still be accountable for acts
> performed and representations made in the real world.
>

Depends on the contract you signed with the virtual OP and the laws of your
country...

I am saying that this kind of questions most probably will be answered in
the future by Supreme Judges (constitutional Judges) in every country...
(after the virtual personality human right is included in the Constitution)

BTW, what do you mean by a virtual openID?. Is there any non-virtual
(presential
as opposed to virtual) openID?

If a (SAML2 pseudonym NameID-based) naming firewall between the virtual
> reality world and the real world is breached, yes the nastygram I sent in my
> virtual presence via my virtual OpenID (as verified using assertions of my
> virtual infocard) can be used to hold me accountable in Thailand today when
> it adjudged that my persona did defame the King of Thailand enthroned in
> 1550.
>
This depend on the legislation of the country where you are being
processed...



Or, yes, you can be legally recognized as an unindicted co-conspirator, and
> - yes - employers need not hire you because of that (legal) fact. Have a
> formal arrest record (as witness, merely) that is also lawful basis for
> discrimination.
>
Again, this depends on the legislation of the country where you are being
processed...

BTW, the constitutional amendment to this new fundamental right specifically
mentions that "it can not be used for discriminatory ends harming its
bearer".

BTW, please note that virtual personality(2) it is not just about content,
like the Thailand example you wrote, but also about presence and projection.

Another relevant change is the contract editions that the OP, IdP and others
will have to make, if they want to have  a contract and business that it is
legal and not illegal. An example of what Google and MSN may have to change
is here:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfdrkkds_70gsm7tj


(1)

"Every person has the right to have or not to have a virtual personality,
where its presence, content and projection is regulated by each one of
them.

It can not be used for discriminatory ends harming its bearer.

The State will guarantee that the information included in the virtual
personality have the adequate juridical and technical security; with the
exclusion of third parties not authorized that pretend to obtain it.

The State could use the content of the virtual personality of the person,
previous authorization of the person, and always just if it is in the
benefit and advantage of the person."
The full text is here: http://personalidadvirtual.blogspot.com/

An interview with the main promoter of this new human right, a Costa Rican
Magistrate (High Supreme Court Judge) is here:
http://www.prensalibre.co.cr/2007/marzo/17/abanico08.php

A Costa Rican Congress newsletter where it mentions a session of the
Comitteee processing this constitutional amendment is here:
http://www.asamblea.go.cr/actual/boletin/2006/oct06/24oct06.htm


(2) http://cis-berkman.editme.com/JacoLexiconChange2

But there is at least another level playing with the difference between
> denotational and referential semantics of identity. If I enter a virtual
> space with my openid-identified avatar, and I then virtual dollars to buy
> and play an virtual-online  role playing game as George Washington doing
> with my human property howsoever I actually did historically (censored),
> should I be accountable in this world for the behavior there, even when
> merely role playing historical fact, as judged by current proscriptions
> about hate and human dignity?
>
Again, depends on the legislation of the country you are being processed...



Yes, say I.
>
You are lucky that you live in 2007 in a democracy, and your opinion counts,
and not a slave in Rome...       ;-)


Asymmetric information warfare is all about this juxtaposition of identities
> and the associated realities.
> Can you please provide some links to learn more about this last sentence
> you wrote?.
>



-- 
Jaco Aizenman L.
My iname is =jaco (http://xri.net/=jaco)
Founder                - www.virtualrights.org
XDI Board member - www.xdi.org
Tel/Voicemail: 506-3461570
Costa Rica

What is an i-name?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-name
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