[OpenID] Website Being Updated Today

David Recordon drecordon at sixapart.com
Mon Oct 15 22:05:32 UTC 2007 

Hey Tom,
Thanks for the feedback.  We do need to re-do the Wiki theme to match  
the site now which hopefully will fix the navigation issues.

Feel free to edit the wiki, it is meant to be a living list of  
resources!

--David

On Oct 15, 2007, at 12:40 PM, tom calthrop wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Sorry for the horrendously delayed response.... I've been in  
> development mode the last few days....
>
> I have to admit I have no opinion what so ever on directory  
> services. I think as things mature the "large" providers will  
> simply opt for Google adverts etc to "catch" anyone seeking an OP.
>
> I did some small usability testing on the site this weekend. The  
> site is easy to use except for when folk got to http:// 
> wiki.openid.net/Libraries then they were not able to get back to  
> the main page (the "main page" button does not seem to go to the  
> home or developers home page).
>
> http://wiki.openid.net/Libraries - There is some nice "artwork"  
> either side of the "search" text on the button;)
>
> http://openid.net/get/ - http://openid.net/developers/ : You've  
> used the terminology "on the wiki" and I've only seen it as "in the  
> wiki". I think you put X on a wiki page and Y in a wiki, but after  
> 2 hours of research I still cannot confirm that.
>
> .. now where did you want me to deposit the bribe to get Barnraiser  
> listed on the PHP sw/libraries list? ;)
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> David Recordon wrote:
>>
>>> [http://openid.net/get/] " Well known and simple providers" - I  
>>> think it highly dubious as to whether  these providers even meet  
>>> W3C web standards including conformance level Double-A <http:// 
>>> www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG1AA-Conformance> of the W3C Web Content  
>>> Accessibility Guidelines, hence I would hardly label them as  
>>> "simple". I do not think it is the role of the OpenID foundation  
>>> to define which providers are simple and which simple and not  
>>> hence I would go for "Examples of OpenID service providers"
>>
>> This is probably going to be the most contentious part of the  
>> entire site.  Just to be clear though, this is still the  
>> community's site not the Foundation's.  The Foundation is becoming  
>> an increasingly important part of the community, but for example  
>> the Foundation isn't going to do something like "you have to be a  
>> member to be listed on the site" or something crazy like that.
>>
>> The main driver of adding this page was that there was a lot of  
>> spot-on criticism (http://miksovsky.blogs.com/flowstate/2007/08/ 
>> openid-great-id.html) saying how hard it was for someone new to  
>> get an OpenID.  We struggled with trying to find the balance  
>> between a completely free for all list (http://wiki.openid.net/ 
>> OpenIDServers) which the page still links to and the other end of  
>> the spectrum of sending the user to a random provider from a  
>> shorter list.  I don't think that what we have today is perfect,  
>> which we say on the site "we realize this list isn’t perfect", but  
>> it is a great step forward.  Generally we went for "Well Known"  
>> trying to use the litmus test of would someone who has paid some  
>> attention to OpenID this year heard of these providers.  "Simple"  
>> is much more subjective, but generally looking for users being  
>> able to quickly find out how to get an OpenID, how to start using  
>> it, and not being required to download, install, be SMS'd, etc  
>> before they can start using their OpenID.
>>
>> What I'd really like to see us move to (assuming the community  
>> thinks it would be worthwhile) is a directory of providers.  Then  
>> annotate each provider by things such as OpenID specs supported,  
>> languages, authentication options, price, etc.  Then when a user  
>> comes we can better tailor the presented list to what they're  
>> looking for.  Any PHP developer interested in writing something  
>> like this?
>>
>>> The search feels a little strange. I searched on "Identity" and  
>>> returned null even though I see the word in the list.
>>
>> I'm not a WordPress expert, looks like it might only be search  
>> blog posts. :-\  Anyone know how to change this?
>>
>>> At the base of the page I would have put an "s" on "Developer  
>>> <http://openid.net/developers/>" to be "Developers" (in the base  
>>> menu header).
>>
>> "s" added.
>>
>>> OSCON. Even though it was back in 2005 it is still highly  
>>> relevant. The (maybe) vidoop (??) video posted here a couple of  
>>> weeks ago was great as well. Either way I think a simple tutorial  
>>> using an OpenID to connect to a site and post a coment would be  
>>> the icing on the cake so to speak.
>>
>> Yeah, one of the open notes is figuring out how to better link to  
>> presentations, tutorials, etc.  We need to better build out the  
>> "Dive into OpenID" section on http://openid.net/developers/ though  
>> for presentations we link to SlideShare from http://openid.net/ 
>> discuss/ where most people upload OpenID presentations anyway.
>>
>>> [Site title] OpenID > how do I get an OpenID .... I think this  
>>> may get lost in the Google haze as tutorials get added to the  
>>> web. Personally I would have gone for something more like  
>>> "OpenID.net; home of OpenID, the specifications and the OpenID  
>>> foundation".
>>
>> Yeah, I always thought the title of just "OpenID" was too bland  
>> compared to the old title.  Other thoughts/suggestions?
>>
>>> [http://openid.net/foundation/] I can't see the foundations  
>>> registration number. We'll be wanting to see the articles of  
>>> association / statutes and validate you against your registration  
>>> number before our Non for profit gives you $100; and don't you  
>>> want my email or OpenID when I sign up or are we really going to  
>>> be snail mail members?? ;)
>>
>> Also a part of the site which needs to be built out more!
>>
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> tom
>>
>> It definitely does!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --David
>>
>>
>>
>>> David Recordon wrote:
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> New website is live!
>>>>
>>>> --David
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 8, 2007, at 7:32 AM, David Recordon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>> Just a reminder that Scott and I are out in the wonderful city  
>>>>> of  Tulsa, OK at Vidoop's offices working to upgrade the  
>>>>> website.   Pretty soon we'll put up a "maintenance" page so  
>>>>> expect the site to  be down a bit of today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Screenshot of the new front-page attached, though as you can  
>>>>> tell  content is still a word in progress!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cool? Cool!
>>>>>
>>>>> --David
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Tom Calthrop
>>> Founder, Barnraiser.
>>>
>>> Dedicated to giving people the tools they need to share knowledge  
>>> and advance society through social software.
>>>
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>>> OpenID: http://tom.calthrop.info/
>>>
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