[OpenID] Recycling OpenIDs (Was: What's broken in OpenID 2.0?(IIW session))

[Peter Williams]

Hmm. The XRI.org says 2500 sites are accepting OpenID (presumably
OpenId1.x)

Presumably the core use cases that those 2500 sites are engaging in is
at least ... defined (if only indirectly).

2500 sites is a quite a sizable adoption (if its true). Under normal
adoption dynamics, 80% of them will be doing the commonest use case 80%
of the time, using the simplest of all configuration options allowed by
the design.
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at openid.net 
> [mailto:general-bounces at openid.net] On Behalf Of Chris Drake
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:33 AM
> To: Stuart Bishop
> Cc: general at openid.net
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Recycling OpenIDs (Was: What's broken 
> in OpenID 2.0?(IIW session))
> 
> Hi Stuart,
> 
> SB> OpenID 1.1 with directed identity fulfils all of our 
> existing use cases.
> 
> Can you give us an idea of what these use cases are?
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Chris Drake
> 
> 
> Tuesday, June 12, 2007, 5:03:53 PM, you wrote:
> 
> SB> Drummond Reed wrote:
> 
> >> Martin: your concerns are well stated. Let me add some perspective 
> >> from the "XRI side" (for those new to the list, I'm co-chair along 
> >> with Gabe Wachob of the OASIS XRI TC, and also a board 
> member of the 
> >> OpenID Foundation, so I care very much about the 
> interrelationship of the two technologies).
> >> 
> >> First, I agree that recent discussions of all the things XRI 
> >> architecture "could do" haven't helped clarify what 
> problems it can 
> >> and can't help OpenID with today. From my perspective, here's what 
> >> XRI 2.0 can do for OpenID 2.0
> >> today:
> 
> SB> My primary concern is not so much the technical side of 
> what XRI is 
> SB> capable of, but what niche it fills and what value it adds for my 
> SB> users? From my perspective, it seems that XRI support 
> would detract value:
> 
> SB>  - Only a tiny minority of our users will own or want to 
> own a name. Domain
> SB>    names are cheaper and gives them more value since they 
> can then host web
> SB>    pages and email addresses on 'their' domain rather 
> which they see as
> SB>    an improvement over hotmail, geocities, gmail et. al. 
> And only a
> SB>    minority of users have their own domain names, so what 
> hope has XRI of
> SB>    becoming pervasive?
> 
> SB>  - Supporting this minority, even if the OpenID libraries 
> do all the
> SB>    technical work for me, still involves complicating 
> documentation, faqs
> SB>    and login screens which detracts usability from the 
> vast majority of our
> SB>    users.
> 
> SB> OpenID 1.1 with directed identity fulfils all of our existing use 
> SB> cases. If OpenID 2.0 comes out and detracts from our user 
> SB> experience, even if it just involves making our login screen more 
> SB> verbose, I would have a hard time selling the upgrade to 
> our UI guys or the bean counters even if I wanted to.
> SB> If, as a *user* of the libraries, it is all under the 
> hood and just 
> SB> adds more power, great.
> 
> 
> 
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