[OpenID] Teenagers do not need OpenID

Dave Kearns dkearns at gmail.com
Sat Jan 27 00:34:20 UTC 2007

1) Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.
2) Just because bad behavior can be done manually doesn't mean we should
automate it
3) I would expect that any system calling itself "user-centric" would at
least pay lip-service to the 7 Laws of Identity, including:

#1 "Technical identity systems must only reveal information identifying a
user with the user’s consent."
Not my friend's consent, my consent.
#3 "Digital identity systems must be designed so the disclosure of
identifying information is limited to parties having a necessary and
justifiable place in a given identity relationship."
A service I may never have heard of has no justifiable reason to acquire my
identity data.

It is a thin line between being able to port "my favorite music" and "my
favorite people" from one service to another. But the line does exist and
it's a line I think shouldn't be crossed.


PS - Try to remember to "reply all" or the reply only goes to the OP (i.e.,
Original Poster. oops!  :)

From: Chris Messina
> Ok. But isn't that impossible to prevent? I mean, that's like banning
> gossip -- surely that's not a realistic objective to pursue?
> Don't get me wrong -- I understand the point you're making; I don't
> have a clear vision, however, of how to achieve it, besides living
> under a rock.
> As it is, credit card companies, banks, companies generally and the
> government have more information about me than I or my friends do. I'd
> frankly rather that people who I know and trust know more about me
> than those entities, but I won't pretend to speak for anyone else in
> making that assertion.
> Chris
> On 1/26/07, Dave Kearns <dkearns at gmail.com> wrote:
> > From: Chris Messina
> > >
> > > If you were to offer to those same teens the ability to unite their
> > > WII and Playstation friends, they might think differently. Or, in
> > > limited application (importing only a few friends at a time) this
> > > functionality might actually be useful.
> > >
> >
> > This is exactly what I was complaining about earlier, Chris. This is a
> > 'self-centric,' rather than 'user-centric' view of identity
> data. Suppose
> > that the WII friends and the PS3 friends don't want to be
> united? What gives
> > this person the right to aggregate identity data? I, for one, don't want
> > anyone spreading my name/contact data around at THEIR whim.
> >
> > -dave
> >
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