[OpenID] OpenId Chance

Dan Libby danda at videntity.org
Fri Jan 26 21:03:03 UTC 2007

Hi Chris,

At Videntity.org, we've been playing with some of these ideas.  First, we've 
had XFN relationships for a long time ( a year or so ) between videntity.org 
identities and 3rd party web identities ( verified by openid ).

In the last couple of days, I've also added hcard support.  So if you go to a 
profile page, eg: http://danda.videntity.org, then all the _public_ profile 
data is available in hcard, vcard, and foaf form.  The hcard contains links 
to your outgoing xfn relationships. (those that you have asserted).

One does not need to register with videntity to use this service. Rather, you 
can login using openid with any openid server.

I wrote a little about it here:


On Friday 26 January 2007 11:44, Chris Messina wrote:
> This is the general concept and thrust for marrying OpenID with
> microformats.
> I intend to write about this soon, but essentially the idea is to host
> an hcard on the end of your OpenID, and contained within that hcard
> would be your XFN relationships.
> Obviously if you have a blog at the end of your OpenID and use
> WordPress, you're well on your way to having a publicly-portable
> social network.
> There are two elements of this to consider, however:
> First, is that not everyone will appreciate having their details
> shared about them by others (see FOAF) on a public portal. This could
> be remedied by, at the least, concealing the XFN relationships behind
> OpenID authentication.
> Second, just as folks may not appreciate their contact information
> being shared on the open web for them, still others may not want to be
> added to Social Network X automatically. To some degree, Plaxo's
> Universal Address Book Widget (http://www.plaxo.com/api/widget) puts
> you, the inviter, in the position of responsibility for spamming your
> friends. The same should be true for importing and exporting social
> networks in two ways:
> 1. no one should be automatically added to a social network unless
> they requested it. Therefore, whenever contacts are imported into a
> system as a step in rebuilding or *subscribing* to one's social
> network, the next step will be to *invite* those contacts who are not
> already in the system to join.
> 2. Now, if certain contacts are discovered or cross-referenced in the
> system and are discovered to already exist, the network's internal
> messaging system may be used to invite those contacts to connect, or
> to be added to a non-reciprocal relationship (as in accelerating the
> discovery of the "Add as a friend" process).
> Now, what I think is actually most interesting about this proposal is
> that, should OpenID take off, the need to import/export your social
> network at each new site will actually diminish, not increase. For
> example, you don't download the Yellow Pages into every new cell phone
> you buy, do you? Instead, you have a simple addressing mechanism (aka
> the phone number) to connect with people. And, while you currently
> have to sync your address book with your phone to create a focused
> subset of the Yellow Pages, I imagine that true user-centric identity
> would make this syncing process somewhat obsolete for when you log in
> to a service and *share* your connections, aren't you then putting the
> onus on the service to maintain its awareness of who you're connected
> with? And, on top of that, all you need are URLs for people in order
> to contact them with the simple messaging exchange -- meaning that
> internal network messaging systems will become somewhat redundant.
> If, instead of going to Flickr, MySpace, Facebook and all the rest
> that have their own internal messaging systems, (like email used to
> be) and instead log directly into my iDP Inbox (which, acting as my
> agent, has collected all my messages) and am able to get all my
> messages in one place, I can then respond by sending messages to
> people's OpenIDs, instead of through those service's internal
> mechanisms.
> I would strongly recommend considering this proposal, which is based
> on and built with technology and standards that are available *today*
> (and in fact are already being deployed). And is also respectful of
> people's attention, and of their increasingly limited desire to join
> Thoughts?
> Chris
> On 1/26/07, Roland Sassen (using mozilla) <sassen at thinsia.com> wrote:
> > As there seem to be many people on this list with real names,
> > the time has come to admit that hiding some basic information about your
> > person is not necessary.  This opens the possibility to openly store
> > this basic identity information
> > on your personal internet portal, or just web-site, which can be the
> > starting point of your
> > internet experience. Store your OpenId server here, your list of trusted
> > sites and persons,
> > your cross-site reputation, and more. This is a user-centric solution,
> > which is a more useful attribute than
> > "decentralized". As CardSpace uses the end-device as a repository, which
> > cannot be secured,
> > OpenId can make a difference here. I blogged about this OpenId Chance
> > here <http://www.thinsia.com/blog/index.php?entry=entry070118-135301>
> > Roland Sassen <http://www.heartbeat-id.com/15>
> >
> > THINSIA <http://www.thinsia.com>
> >
> >
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Dan Libby

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