[OpenID] why is xri so obtuse?

Kaliya * identitywoman at gmail.com
Mon Jan 1 22:27:55 UTC 2007

Oh one more thing.
 XRI and XDI are both already in an open standards body -  OASIS.
 Anyone can build to the specs. and a critical part of the current OpenID
spec's come from these spec's the XRDS document.


On 1/1/07, Kaliya * <Kaliya at mac.com> wrote:
> One of the things I am working on this week writing up some community
> history.
> What does free mean? In the context of open standards this is a valid
> question.   Originally the IP that is in XRI was all tied up and owned by a
> company.  It was working on bringing it to market....at a meeting attended
> by internet notables about it....basically they said this is great but it
> will NEVER work if you own the IP no one will adopt it.
> So the company did the right thing and turned over all the IP to a
> nonprofit to be held for the public good - XDI.ORG (it was originally
> It was clear that a name space was a critical element of this technology
> -  - this would have to be run by someone.  This is what this company does
> now...It runs a global registry for the namespace.  People are not howling
> wildly that OpenID is based on domain names that you must pay a yearly fee
> for.  Both are world wide infrastructure that needs to work otherwise the
> web doesn't work. Money needs to come from somewhere to pay for it and
> registration of names is one place to do that.   (Yes I have heard from my
> anarchist geek friends about how in theory it would be possible to do
> addressing in ways without a central root).
> The XRI/XDI community is small but vibrant and working really hard to
> develop open source code that folks can use to do all sorts of stuff.   It
> has a range of folks participating in it including domain registrars from
> around the world, Boeing, Higgins project, small starups.  The community
> that founded the first Identity Commons had extensive connection to the
> i-names technology because at the time...3-4 years ago it was the only
> user-centric game in town.
> In terms of the including of XRI's in OpenID. .. I already said it before
> in this thread there was 3 different valid approaches for distributed
> user-centric identity that were all going to go to market and
> compete...imagine if there was 3 different login boxes that were
> proliferating....you all wouldn't be here adopting the one thing that
> everyone worked hard on for a year to get convergence (The 4th approach even
> joined our efforts in the summer).    There is momentum behind what is now
> branded OpenID2 because all these different efforts collaborated.
> We had a period where we considered a different like Yaids or a name to be
> determined...it was decided that we not move away from the most
> unrecognizable brand but update it to a version 2.
> I am happy to answer any more questions about how we got here or why
> things are the way they are. I have been working in this little niche for
> almost three years full time.  Some folks like Drummond have been working on
> brining about this sort of technology for 15 years.   There are 'really
> simple' easy ways to do things - how OpenID started out. There are ways to
> deal with more complex use-cases and business needs too.  Having a balance
> and supporting things working together is what this is about.
> Just so it is not a surprise the OpenID folks are talking to the SAML
> folks about how those two standards can work well together.
> =Kaliya
> On 1/1/07, Dmitry Shechtman <damnian at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I just realized that I missed a spot. The "kind suggestion" refers to a
> > part
> > from Victor's response he had chosen to omit for some reason:
> >
> > > I'd be willing to test your application with my i-name when you're
> > ready,
> > if that helps.
> >
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