[OpenID] OpenID Chance II

Chris Messina chris.messina at gmail.com
Thu Feb 1 22:18:14 UTC 2007


Opinity already supports OpenID:

http://www.opinity.com/announce/new.php

It's again important to think about this as a layer *on top* of or
*enabled by* OpenID. But yes, there are folks already working on this
direction...! ;)

Chris

On 2/1/07, Stephen Paul Weber <singpolyma at gmail.com> wrote:
> If systems such as RapLeaf were to implement OpenID and one
> autenticated one's URL there with the system (using OpenID or microid)
> that could provide a sort of 'other layer' for authority, etc.
>
> On 2/1/07, Dick Hardt <dick at sxip.com> wrote:
> > OpenID Attribute Exchange (AX) provides a simple way to fetch and
> > store the attributes.
> >
> > Convincing/finding an entity to make the digital statement is a
> > business/social issue.
> >
> > btw: I gave the Keynote at the association that manages registrars
> > and admissions to colleges and universities and they really got the
> > user-centric model -- of course there was no clear path on how to get
> > there.
> >
> > Work we are leading in other government areas may lead to signed
> > claims sooner then you think ...
> >
> > -- Dick
> >
> > On 1-Feb-07, at 11:45 AM, Brad Topliff wrote:
> >
> > > +1 to Chris' comment.
> > >
> > > My first question for Citizendium would be who they see as "some
> > > trustworthy
> > > authority".  If they are hoping that academia comes together to
> > > verify an
> > > attribute, then they probably have a long wait ahead of them.  Now,
> > > if they
> > > want to verify the claims themselves and host a "simple" reputation
> > > system
> > > on top of OpenIDs that seems much more feasible.  It could be a
> > > good use of
> > > i-names too as in @citizenidum*phd*username where you only get that
> > > ID if
> > > they have verified your PhD.  Depending on how they segment experts
> > > (degrees, fields of study or both) this system *could* be pretty
> > > flexible,
> > > easy to understand and manage.
> > >
> > > Of course, there are likely other ways to do this with URL
> > > Identifiers and
> > > their own pros and cons.
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: general-bounces at openid.net [mailto:general-
> > >> bounces at openid.net] On
> > >> Behalf Of Chris Messina
> > >> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:32 AM
> > >> To: Johannes Ernst
> > >> Cc: general at openid.net
> > >> Subject: Re: [OpenID] OpenID Chance II
> > >>
> > >> For a point of clarification, I would only like to suggest that these
> > >> matters of trust and reputation remain understood as orthogonal to
> > >> the
> > >> OpenID protocol itself, much like you can transport HTML, video or
> > >> anything else digital over HTTP -- it's just a transport system --
> > >> and
> > >> has nothing to do with the kind of data or data itself.
> > >>
> > >> I do encourage, of course, discussing these ideas and especially how
> > >> iDPs can offer services around signed data exchange (nor am I
> > >> suggesting that that nuance is absent here -- only trying to make
> > >> sure
> > >> that we're talking about building *on top of* rather than *in to* the
> > >> OpenID protocol).
> > >>
> > >> Chris
> > >>
> > >> On 2/1/07, Johannes Ernst <jernst+openid.net at netmesh.us> wrote:
> > >>> To apply Bob Blakley's terminology, see http://netmesh.info/jernst/
> > >>> Digital_Identity/limits-of-owning-identity.html
> > >>>
> > >>> what you are asking for is to augment identity information with
> > >>> reputation information, in this case an individual's degree (a kind
> > >>> of reputation using the above terminology) from a reputation source
> > >>> (e.g. the college where they got the degree).
> > >>>
> > >>> The technical solution to this can be rather straightforward, as all
> > >>> that needs to be found out about is a boolean value or similar ("has
> > >>> degree", "does not have degree"). The much harder problem is an
> > >>> adoption problem: how does one get all, say, medical schools to make
> > >>> assertions like that in electronic form?
> > >>>
> > >>> But on the other question -- I (and NetMesh) are interested in this
> > >>> subject.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:40, Roland Sassen (using mozilla) wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> The Wikipedia suffers from anonymous people adding nonsense. To
> > >>>> make a
> > >>>> better
> > >>>> Wikipedia Larry Sanger, co founder of Wikipedia, made Citizendium.
> > >>>> Anonymity
> > >>>> is banned here. Citizendium is about to "hit the streets"
> > >>>> I posted this to the Citizendium mailing list:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "To login to Citizendium people chose a user name and a password. A
> > >>>> new
> > >>>> protocol,
> > >>>> OpenID, allows users to have one user name / password
> > >>>> combination, and
> > >>>> login to
> > >>>> all OpenID enabled sites with this combination. And this username
> > >>>> /password combination
> > >>>> can be exchanged by a so called URL or web-address (like
> > >>>> www.thinsia.com)
> > >>>> This is very user-friendly.
> > >>>> So I suggest to enable OpenID to the Citizendium site!
> > >>>> For more information have a look at the OpenID site here
> > >>>> <http://www.openid.net>, or on the Open ID wiki
> > >>>> <http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page>
> > >>>> I blogged about it here
> > >>>> <http://www.thinsia.com/blog/index.php?entry=entry070118-135301>
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> OpenID in the press is here <http://blogs.zdnet.com/digitalID/?
> > >>>> p=78> .
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Roland Sassen "
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mike Johnson answered:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> " Hi Roland,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm Mike Johnson from the Citizendium Executive Committee-
> > >>>> thanks for
> > >>>> the email about OpenID. It's certainly on our radar, but our needs
> > >>>> are a
> > >>>> little different than those of most organizations.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In short, we'd like a distributed identification system to provide
> > >>>> users
> > >>>> with a common login across sites (as OpenID does), but, since we
> > >>>> also
> > >>>> need to know people have the PhDs or MDs they say they do, we'd
> > >>>> like one
> > >>>> that also has the ability to actually "authenticate" who users
> > >>>> are in
> > >>>> the real world against some trustworthy authority.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I suspect that OpenID could do such a thing, by allowing sites like
> > >>>> Citizendium to define other sites that we trust to verify that
> > >>>> users are
> > >>>> who they say they are in the real world. However, in my (somewhat
> > >>>> limited) research on OpenID, I've never heard of this happening.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It's not absolutely necessary, but if something like this could
> > >>>> be set
> > >>>> up it would be a large incentive for us to adopt OpenID. Your
> > >>>> thoughts?
> > >>>> Know who'd be the best person to ask about this?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Best,
> > >>>> Mike"
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Three questions:
> > >>>> 1 how can this be done
> > >>>> 2 who would like to be "the best person to ask about this?
> > >>>> 3 is the OpenID community interested at all in being used, in the
> > >>>> world,
> > >>>> and are there idea?s about
> > >>>> how to make initial contacts (in a more proper way as I did)?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I do see some more opportunities!
> > >>>> cheers, Roland Sassen
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>
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