[OpenID] OpenID Chance II

Thu Feb 1 21:40:01 UTC 2007

If systems such as RapLeaf were to implement OpenID and one
autenticated one's URL there with the system (using OpenID or microid)
that could provide a sort of 'other layer' for authority, etc.

On 2/1/07, Dick Hardt <dick at sxip.com> wrote:
> OpenID Attribute Exchange (AX) provides a simple way to fetch and
> store the attributes.
>
> Convincing/finding an entity to make the digital statement is a
> business/social issue.
>
> btw: I gave the Keynote at the association that manages registrars
> and admissions to colleges and universities and they really got the
> user-centric model -- of course there was no clear path on how to get
> there.
>
> Work we are leading in other government areas may lead to signed
> claims sooner then you think ...
>
> -- Dick
>
> On 1-Feb-07, at 11:45 AM, Brad Topliff wrote:
>
> > +1 to Chris' comment.
> >
> > My first question for Citizendium would be who they see as "some
> > trustworthy
> > authority".  If they are hoping that academia comes together to
> > verify an
> > attribute, then they probably have a long wait ahead of them.  Now,
> > if they
> > want to verify the claims themselves and host a "simple" reputation
> > system
> > on top of OpenIDs that seems much more feasible.  It could be a
> > good use of
> > i-names too as in @citizenidum*phd*username where you only get that
> > ID if
> > they have verified your PhD.  Depending on how they segment experts
> > (degrees, fields of study or both) this system *could* be pretty
> > flexible,
> > easy to understand and manage.
> >
> > Of course, there are likely other ways to do this with URL
> > Identifiers and
> > their own pros and cons.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: general-bounces at openid.net [mailto:general-
> >> bounces at openid.net] On
> >> Behalf Of Chris Messina
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:32 AM
> >> To: Johannes Ernst
> >> Cc: general at openid.net
> >> Subject: Re: [OpenID] OpenID Chance II
> >>
> >> For a point of clarification, I would only like to suggest that these
> >> matters of trust and reputation remain understood as orthogonal to
> >> the
> >> OpenID protocol itself, much like you can transport HTML, video or
> >> anything else digital over HTTP -- it's just a transport system --
> >> and
> >> has nothing to do with the kind of data or data itself.
> >>
> >> I do encourage, of course, discussing these ideas and especially how
> >> iDPs can offer services around signed data exchange (nor am I
> >> suggesting that that nuance is absent here -- only trying to make
> >> sure
> >> that we're talking about building *on top of* rather than *in to* the
> >> OpenID protocol).
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> On 2/1/07, Johannes Ernst <jernst+openid.net at netmesh.us> wrote:
> >>> To apply Bob Blakley's terminology, see http://netmesh.info/jernst/
> >>> Digital_Identity/limits-of-owning-identity.html
> >>>
> >>> what you are asking for is to augment identity information with
> >>> reputation information, in this case an individual's degree (a kind
> >>> of reputation using the above terminology) from a reputation source
> >>> (e.g. the college where they got the degree).
> >>>
> >>> The technical solution to this can be rather straightforward, as all
> >>> that needs to be found out about is a boolean value or similar ("has
> >>> degree", "does not have degree"). The much harder problem is an
> >>> adoption problem: how does one get all, say, medical schools to make
> >>> assertions like that in electronic form?
> >>>
> >>> But on the other question -- I (and NetMesh) are interested in this
> >>> subject.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:40, Roland Sassen (using mozilla) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The Wikipedia suffers from anonymous people adding nonsense. To
> >>>> make a
> >>>> better
> >>>> Wikipedia Larry Sanger, co founder of Wikipedia, made Citizendium.
> >>>> Anonymity
> >>>> is banned here. Citizendium is about to "hit the streets"
> >>>> I posted this to the Citizendium mailing list:
> >>>>
> >>>> "To login to Citizendium people chose a user name and a password. A
> >>>> new
> >>>> protocol,
> >>>> OpenID, allows users to have one user name / password
> >>>> combination, and
> >>>> login to
> >>>> all OpenID enabled sites with this combination. And this username
> >>>> /password combination
> >>>> can be exchanged by a so called URL or web-address (like
> >>>> www.thinsia.com)
> >>>> This is very user-friendly.
> >>>> So I suggest to enable OpenID to the Citizendium site!
> >>>> For more information have a look at the OpenID site here
> >>>> <http://www.openid.net>, or on the Open ID wiki
> >>>> <http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page>
> >>>> I blogged about it here
> >>>> <http://www.thinsia.com/blog/index.php?entry=entry070118-135301>
> >>>> and
> >>>> OpenID in the press is here <http://blogs.zdnet.com/digitalID/?
> >>>> p=78> .
> >>>>
> >>>> Roland Sassen "
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike Johnson answered:
> >>>>
> >>>> " Hi Roland,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm Mike Johnson from the Citizendium Executive Committee-
> >>>> thanks for
> >>>> the email about OpenID. It's certainly on our radar, but our needs
> >>>> are a
> >>>> little different than those of most organizations.
> >>>>
> >>>> In short, we'd like a distributed identification system to provide
> >>>> users
> >>>> with a common login across sites (as OpenID does), but, since we
> >>>> also
> >>>> need to know people have the PhDs or MDs they say they do, we'd
> >>>> like one
> >>>> that also has the ability to actually "authenticate" who users
> >>>> are in
> >>>> the real world against some trustworthy authority.
> >>>>
> >>>> I suspect that OpenID could do such a thing, by allowing sites like
> >>>> Citizendium to define other sites that we trust to verify that
> >>>> users are
> >>>> who they say they are in the real world. However, in my (somewhat
> >>>> limited) research on OpenID, I've never heard of this happening.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's not absolutely necessary, but if something like this could
> >>>> be set
> >>>> up it would be a large incentive for us to adopt OpenID. Your
> >>>> thoughts?
> >>>> Know who'd be the best person to ask about this?
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Mike"
> >>>>
> >>>> Three questions:
> >>>> 1 how can this be done
> >>>> 2 who would like to be "the best person to ask about this?
> >>>> 3 is the OpenID community interested at all in being used, in the
> >>>> world,
> >>>> and are there idea?s about
> >>>> how to make initial contacts (in a more proper way as I did)?
> >>>>
> >>>> I do see some more opportunities!
> >>>> cheers, Roland Sassen
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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