[OpenID] PR: OpenID.co.uk - "MobileNumber.OpenID.co.uk" as URI

Mark Cross sites at thirdvisit.co.uk
Thu Feb 8 15:42:27 PST 2007


Jon,

> This doesn't make any sense. OpenID is an identifier, not a url for a
> website.
>
> I really think you should take a minute and review OpenID, even use a 
> demo.

Pop this in a web browser:

http://markcross.myopenid.com/

Looks pretty much like a URL to me or am I missing something?

Yours very puzzled,

Mark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Mills" <jon at devtroop.com>
To: <sites at thirdvisit.co.uk>; <general at openid.net>
Cc: <mart at degeneration.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: [OpenID] PR: OpenID.co.uk - "MobileNumber.OpenID.co.uk" as URI


>I don't think you understand OpenID.
> -----
> Having "mobilenumber.OpenID.co.uk" is immensely better on the side of your
> van than "JohnSmith2344 at aol.com" - which in the UK is quite common believe
> me.
> ------
>
> This doesn't make any sense. OpenID is an identifier, not a url for a
> website.
>
> I really think you should take a minute and review OpenID, even use a 
> demo.
>
> -Jon
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at openid.net [mailto:general-bounces at openid.net] On
> Behalf Of sites at thirdvisit.co.uk
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:34 AM
> To: general at openid.net
> Cc: mart at degeneration.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] PR: OpenID.co.uk - "MobileNumber.OpenID.co.uk" as 
> URI
>
> Hi,
>
> My re-cap: (I probably won't post back to the group after this reply)
>
> Allen wrote:
>>A completely different issue regarding phone based
>>OpenIDs is that phone numbers are often recycled.
>
> Not in the UK they aren't.
>
>>Is the OP supposed to periodically verify that
>>the user still owns the claimed phone number?
>
> Yes, in the UK if you sign-up to cell tracking request by network provider
> it's mandatory to send a request for confirmation every 6 months I 
> believe,
> and yes I would/will do this.
>
>>What happens if the phone number changes ownership?
>
> In the UK we have number portability between network providers. I can 
> assume
> by your question - that in your country you don't have facility, that a
> shame.
>
> Here the only numbers that change tend to be local geographic codes which
> have an additional number(s) prefixed at the front. (See my previous group
> posting on this.)
>
> And if you change your phone number - in post business people's opinion,
> your business has just dropped off the face of the planet, it's like 
> letting
> your domain expire! Queue a lot of expense.
>
>>Is the OP required to hand over the OpenID to the
>>new owner? If so, is the original owner locked out
>>of all the sites that where he used his OpenID?
>
> Part of the spec for OpenID is that you can redirect?
>
> In my case (for the UK) the person would pop the old SIM card in a draw,
> apply for a new number on my platform and I would map the two over each
> over, old & new.
>
> In the UK if you register both a .com and .co.uk then advertise the .com 
> in
> the "printed press", 90% of people will type the .com and 10% type in the
> .co.uk (I used to be the 52nd largest domain registrar in the UK and had 
> the
> stats to prove this paragraph cicra 2004.) When you have a .co.uk domain 
> and
> advertise your business as "domain.co.uk" 99% of UK people type in the
> .co.uk and 1% the .com
>
> Having "mobilenumber.OpenID.co.uk" is immensely better on the side of your
> van than "JohnSmith2344 at aol.com" - which in the UK is quite common believe
> me.
>
> I will not be forcing anybody to use their mobile with my domain.
>
> Martin
>>Telephone numbers are meaningless and unmemorable
>
> I think that you maybe mixing up branding with functionality.
> Number related OpenID URIs provide a lot of utility.
> Branding of an OpenID URI is another subject altogether.
>
> <My personal opinion>
> The future of computing is the mobile device, a number is infinitely 
> easier
> to enter via a numeric keypad and it would be possible to offer the
> following software on the phone.
>
> - You type a the number, this would get checked against several OP
> registries to see if the number was registered with them. (Of course the
> registry may have pay to get on the checking list!) If the number is
> registered, then you would be able do a Q & A / capchta and then you would
> be able to populate the name, address etc into your device."
> </My personal opinion>
>
> Right last one folks:
>
> Phone spamming
>
> - You don't have to subscribe to my OP using a mobile number
> - Companies hire call centres in countries with no reciprical
> telecommunication rules who presently use war-dialing software. I 
> personally
> believe that using a mobile number as a OpenID component will have no 
> impact
> on increasing phone spam whatsoever. The software calls up X people a time
> and when someone picks up it gets passed to a salesperson. They started at
> number range X & continue till the sun goes down...
>
> <personal belief>
> As phone cost continue towards the zero, we will end up using whitelists 
> on
> our phone numbers anyway. And using an OpenID OP could be a nice way to
> implement this or well as for email whitelisting. For example if you 
> number
> is terminated on a VOIP platform, then when an unknown caller hits your
> number (because call line identification is suppressed or it's an overseas
> call, you can force someone to speak to a machine; which has a series of
> challenge questions etc) Eventually all calls will be VOIP and thus it 
> will
> stop the CLI suppression rubbish and overseas call centres who operate
> boiler room sales for clients will die a rapid death.
> </personal belief>
>
> But I thank all of you for your feedback, it did take a good night's 
> sleept
> to formulate a half decent reply!
>
> Cheers Mark
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