[OpenID] Acceptable OP uptimes

[Peter Williams]

99.99 gives us 1H ish total annual downtime.

Anyone got a million dollar ad revenue going...to pay for this kind of op?

Remember the economic value of sso to the consumer is about 10-15c a month (based on realtor market data). That's not enough to cover the 100K annual audit of the key mgt practices used in operating the the openid server cluster!

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Washburn <bill at oidf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:59 AM
To: Jack Cleaver <jack at jackpot.uk.net>
Cc: general at openid.net <general at openid.net>
Subject: Re: [OpenID] Acceptable OP uptimes

I suppose we all know the standard from the telco world for the longest time
has been the classic five 9s - 99.999% level.  OTOH, the Internet's
availability to end users has always been pretty much a "best effort"
commitment built on top of that telco standard - from an end user
perspective at least.  Wouldn't we naturally want to see OpenID availability
operate at a level of say 99% to 99.99%?  This is where redundancy is
obviously important as well.

Also, while OpenID may have been meant originally for blog commenting, if it
now can serve as a "good," (meaning instrumental) central building block for
much more utilization than that, then the degree of OpenID availability in
the fabric of the Internet's identity infrastructure will serve as an
unavoidable governor on its potential value to end users, to websites, and
to all sorts of organizations large and small.  No?

-bill


On Dec 12, 2007 9:54 AM, Jack Cleaver <jack at jackpot.uk.net> wrote:

> Johannes Ernst wrote:
> > As users of OpenID, what kind of availability requirements do you
> > realistically have?
> >
> > 99%     [3 days out of service per year]
> > 99.9%     [9 hours out of service per year]
> > 99.99%     [less than an hour per year]
> > 99.999%     [5 minutes per year]
>
> It's not possible to give a simple answer to that question.
>
> 99% would be fine for me, as long as I am not relying on OpenID during
> the 3 days that my OP is down. And even if I were, 99% would still be
> fine if those 3 days' downtime were spread over the year, as some 72
> 1-hour outages, about every 5 days. On the other hand, given an outage
> comprising a solid 3-day block starting at 9:00am on a Monday, by
> Tuesday morning I would have abandoned that OP forever.
>
> The question keeps coming up: is OpenID just for commenting on blogs, or
> is it supposed to be useful for more important purposes? I'm not given
> to commenting on blogs. But if that's all it's meant for, then my remark
> (above) is unreasonable - you're really asking how much inconvenience
> I'm prepared to put up with, rather than how serious a 3-day outage
> would be.
>
> --
> Jack.
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