off topic - how many people use OpenID ?

Fri Oct 20 21:14:53 UTC 2006

Speak about a controversial suggestion ...

I don't think there would be anything wrong with that ... if  
anything, it would help us focus getting something out the door  
instead of being afraid of "but I must have feature X Y and Z in 2.0".

On Oct 20, 2006, at 12:12, Granqvist, Hans wrote:

> The full jump to a new rev adds mental complexity. Current
> 2.0 naming hype aside, I propose renaming the existing
> OpenID 2.0 work to be OpenID 1.2.
>
> A dot revision implies compatibility with previous
> revision, which fits quite well here.  I also don't feel
> that current drafts are more than a dot revision, but
> that could be just me, of course.
>
> Anyway, such a rename clears up the process of deciding
> an upfront timeline and expected deliverables for future
> 1.x and 2.x efforts *before* any works starts.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: general-bounces at openid.net
>> [mailto:general-bounces at openid.net] On Behalf Of Scott Kveton
>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:22 AM
>> To: general at openid.net
>> Subject: Re: Re[4]: off topic - how many people use OpenID ?
>>
>>> The spec work around 2.0 needs to wrap up and be
>> unambiguously easy to
>>> implement.  It seems that alot of the work done to date has been
>>> headed in that direction and we should continue to be
>> mindful of this goal.
>>>
>>> Special casing of idP's for example and other items that could add
>>> complexity would IMO cause adoption to either slow or stall while
>>> implementers search for the "right path" before investing time and
>>> resources given the 100 other things they could be working on.
>>
>> Just to echo Gary's comments above, I agree, we need to get
>> the specification done.  Developers want this thing to just
>> work out of the box for them and we have an opportunity to
>> take advantage of the news about Technorati to get v2.0 out
>> the door.  In the name of getting adoption going, let's close
>> out v2.0 quickly then we can start in earnest on v2.1 or v3.0.
>>
>> - Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Drake [mailto:christopher at pobox.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:01 AM
>>> To: Krall, Gary
>>> Cc: general at openid.net
>>> Subject: Re[4]: off topic - how many people use OpenID ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Gary,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your generous sharing of information.  That was
>>> approximately how many daily users I had estimated for you
>> PIP (which
>>> I love by the way - awesome interface!)
>>>
>>> You mention that adoption/acceptance requires market
>> players: what do
>>> you think OpenID 2.0 needs to have in it to help attract
>> these people?
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Chris Drake
>>>
>>>
>>> Saturday, October 21, 2006, 2:36:07 AM, you wrote:
>>>
>>> KG> Chris:
>>>
>>> KG> We at Verisign also run a OpenID server
>>> KG> (pip.verisignlabs.com) "and without getting too specific" the
>>> KG> numbers we see are between 150 and 250 trust requests/day.
>>>
>>> KG> The issue of market adoption and usage clearly centers
>> squarely on
>>> KG> the number of relying parties who have actually implemented the
>>> KG> protocol as part of their registration and sign in
>> process.  The
>>> KG> number of "enabled" users versus the number of "actual"
>> users is a
>>> KG> function of "where can I use it"?  The more relying parties the
>>> KG> faster the "enabled" users will become "actual" users.
>>>
>>> KG> With the announcement by Symantec/Norton to host their
>> own idP (to
>>> KG> Hans's comments earlier) and the Technorati
>> announcement of today
>>> KG> will help drive this process.  Getting major players to embrace
>>> KG> this technology to become part of the community lexicon is the
>>> KG> next step in market adoption and acceptance.
>>>
>>> KG> Gary.
>>>
>>> KG> -----Original Message-----
>>> KG> From: general-bounces at openid.net
>>> KG> [mailto:general-bounces at openid.net]On
>>> KG> Behalf Of Chris Drake
>>> KG> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:46 AM
>>> KG> To: Scott Kveton
>>> KG> Cc: general at openid.net
>>> KG> Subject: Re[2]: off topic - how many people use OpenID ?
>>>
>>>
>>> KG> Hi Scott,
>>>
>>> KG> No - I don't mean how many total users there are of sites that
>>> KG> accept multiple login systems including OpenID - I mean
>> - how many
>>> KG> people are out there actually using OpenID *to* log in to sites.
>>>
>>> KG> You guys run myopenid.com don't you?  Did any more than
>> 500 people
>>> KG> log in to places using this site last week?
>>>
>>> KG> Kind Regards,
>>> KG> Chris Drake
>>>
>>>
>>> KG> Friday, October 20, 2006, 1:46:42 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>> SK>> Grr ... Meant to send this to the list (sorry for the
>> dupe Chris).
>>>
>>>>>> Digging around, I've discovered there's about 10,000 OpenID URLs
>>>>>> registered worldwide.  I'd estimate that less than 10%
>> of those are
>>>>>> active, leaving the total pool of people who use OpenID
>> at around
>>>>>> 1000 users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does this sound ball-park to everyone?  Has anyone got
>> evidence to
>>>>>> the contrary?
>>>
>>> SK>> I believe every single LiveJournal user (all 10 million) are
>>> SK>> OpenID
>>> enabled
>>> SK>> as well.  So 10,001,000 ... :-)
>>>
>>> SK>> - Scott
>>>
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