off topic - how many people use OpenID ?

[Granqvist, Hans]

The full jump to a new rev adds mental complexity. Current 
2.0 naming hype aside, I propose renaming the existing 
OpenID 2.0 work to be OpenID 1.2.

A dot revision implies compatibility with previous 
revision, which fits quite well here.  I also don't feel
that current drafts are more than a dot revision, but
that could be just me, of course.

Anyway, such a rename clears up the process of deciding 
an upfront timeline and expected deliverables for future 
1.x and 2.x efforts *before* any works starts.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at openid.net 
> [mailto:general-bounces at openid.net] On Behalf Of Scott Kveton
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:22 AM
> To: general at openid.net
> Subject: Re: Re[4]: off topic - how many people use OpenID ?
> 
> > The spec work around 2.0 needs to wrap up and be 
> unambiguously easy to 
> > implement.  It seems that alot of the work done to date has been 
> > headed in that direction and we should continue to be 
> mindful of this goal.
> > 
> > Special casing of idP's for example and other items that could add 
> > complexity would IMO cause adoption to either slow or stall while 
> > implementers search for the "right path" before investing time and 
> > resources given the 100 other things they could be working on.
> 
> Just to echo Gary's comments above, I agree, we need to get 
> the specification done.  Developers want this thing to just 
> work out of the box for them and we have an opportunity to 
> take advantage of the news about Technorati to get v2.0 out 
> the door.  In the name of getting adoption going, let's close 
> out v2.0 quickly then we can start in earnest on v2.1 or v3.0.
> 
> - Scott
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Drake [mailto:christopher at pobox.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:01 AM
> > To: Krall, Gary
> > Cc: general at openid.net
> > Subject: Re[4]: off topic - how many people use OpenID ?
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Gary,
> > 
> > Thanks for your generous sharing of information.  That was 
> > approximately how many daily users I had estimated for you 
> PIP (which 
> > I love by the way - awesome interface!)
> > 
> > You mention that adoption/acceptance requires market 
> players: what do 
> > you think OpenID 2.0 needs to have in it to help attract 
> these people?
> > 
> > Kind Regards,
> > Chris Drake
> > 
> > 
> > Saturday, October 21, 2006, 2:36:07 AM, you wrote:
> > 
> > KG> Chris:
> > 
> > KG> We at Verisign also run a OpenID server
> > KG> (pip.verisignlabs.com) "and without getting too specific" the 
> > KG> numbers we see are between 150 and 250 trust requests/day.
> > 
> > KG> The issue of market adoption and usage clearly centers 
> squarely on 
> > KG> the number of relying parties who have actually implemented the 
> > KG> protocol as part of their registration and sign in 
> process.  The 
> > KG> number of "enabled" users versus the number of "actual" 
> users is a 
> > KG> function of "where can I use it"?  The more relying parties the 
> > KG> faster the "enabled" users will become "actual" users.
> > 
> > KG> With the announcement by Symantec/Norton to host their 
> own idP (to 
> > KG> Hans's comments earlier) and the Technorati 
> announcement of today 
> > KG> will help drive this process.  Getting major players to embrace 
> > KG> this technology to become part of the community lexicon is the 
> > KG> next step in market adoption and acceptance.
> > 
> > KG> Gary.
> > 
> > KG> -----Original Message-----
> > KG> From: general-bounces at openid.net
> > KG> [mailto:general-bounces at openid.net]On
> > KG> Behalf Of Chris Drake
> > KG> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:46 AM
> > KG> To: Scott Kveton
> > KG> Cc: general at openid.net
> > KG> Subject: Re[2]: off topic - how many people use OpenID ?
> > 
> > 
> > KG> Hi Scott,
> > 
> > KG> No - I don't mean how many total users there are of sites that 
> > KG> accept multiple login systems including OpenID - I mean 
> - how many 
> > KG> people are out there actually using OpenID *to* log in to sites.
> > 
> > KG> You guys run myopenid.com don't you?  Did any more than 
> 500 people 
> > KG> log in to places using this site last week?
> > 
> > KG> Kind Regards,
> > KG> Chris Drake
> > 
> > 
> > KG> Friday, October 20, 2006, 1:46:42 PM, you wrote:
> > 
> > SK>> Grr ... Meant to send this to the list (sorry for the 
> dupe Chris).
> > 
> >>>> Digging around, I've discovered there's about 10,000 OpenID URLs 
> >>>> registered worldwide.  I'd estimate that less than 10% 
> of those are 
> >>>> active, leaving the total pool of people who use OpenID 
> at around 
> >>>> 1000 users.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Does this sound ball-park to everyone?  Has anyone got 
> evidence to 
> >>>> the contrary?
> > 
> > SK>> I believe every single LiveJournal user (all 10 million) are 
> > SK>> OpenID
> > enabled
> > SK>> as well.  So 10,001,000 ... :-)
> > 
> > SK>> - Scott
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