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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>FYI:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Let me introduce the group to Asa Hardcastle
of Zenn New Media (also a founder of OpenLiberty.org) since Asa has done this
sort of thing before, using all open source libraries (some that he wrote
himself).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Asa, please review this thread for context. You can
get even more context by talking with Sampo. In short, this is a
large-scale deployment opportunity which seems to be in need of an OpenID
bootstrap into ID-WSF to support Sampo's new ID-SIS-HR-XML spec.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Pierre & Marc, even though it's true that these personal
attribute services consumers/providers would have to support ID-WSF in addition
to OpenID, the good news is that all of this stuff is currently available in
open source and has been demonstrated to interoperate already (at least on the
consumer side, not sure about the provider side ID-WSF libraries).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>P.S.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Joni, would you subscribe Asa to this list?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On Oct 17, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Marc Van
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color:black'>many thanks for your input, I'm agree with you the
"bootstraping" proposal sounds an efficient way to go in a first step
in order to support HR-XML CV exchange using OpenID authentication without
recreating all the data structure.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>But in this scenario all OpenID personal attribute consummer or
provider services have to support the ID-WSF in addition to OpenID.</span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Pierre could you ask Damien to check if it will be possible to
tune/adapt the Larpe Identity Proxy module used in CV Universel so that it
could be used with also with OpenID authentication in addition to SAML 2 ? This
may solve a part of the issue for all attribute consummer services.</span><span
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color:black'>----- Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:brett@projectliberty.org" target="_blank"
title="brett@projectliberty.org">Brett McDowell</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'> <a href="mailto:britta@projectliberty.org" target="_blank"
title="britta@projectliberty.org">Britta Glade</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Cc:</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'> <a href="mailto:marc.van.coillie@eife-l.org" target="_blank"
title="marc.van.coillie@eife-l.org">Marc Van Coillie</a> ; <a
href="mailto:joni@ieee-isto.org" target="_blank" title="joni@ieee-isto.org">Joni
Brennan</a> ; <a href="mailto:snorri@snorri.eu" target="_blank"
title="snorri@snorri.eu">Snorri</a> ; <a
href="mailto:sig-hr-edu@lists.projectliberty.org" target="_blank"
title="sig-hr-edu@lists.projectliberty.org">sig-hr-edu@lists.projectliberty.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'> Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:27 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'> Re: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile
publication ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>On Oct 16, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Britta Glade wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>copying this to Joni, who manages all processes for Liberty (among
many other things!). I know Brett's heads down on several projects, and
wanted to be sure you got a speedy answer. Joni can help there. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Agreed. Joni can work with you on the process for taking the
Concordia document and getting that submitted into TEG (I would expect this
would be done by Sampo as a Symlabs contribution).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>That said, I wanted to address a few of your questions below...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>2008/10/16 Marc Van Coillie <<a
href="mailto:marc.van.coillie@eife-l.org" target="_blank">marc.van.coillie@eife-l.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>Hi Brett and Snorri,</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
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color:black'>In order to prepare next week meeting, I need some short
information regarding your organisations internal process for profiling
and submiting new proposals that could (should :-)) be produce in this group.</span><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>I think having Joni provide you with our Document Policy and SIG
Policy, along with her overview and recommendations on practical next steps,
should provide you with all you need for the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>We could take the example of the Europass CV which is quite well
defined now in terms of data structure and XML schema binding.</span><span
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color:black'><a
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target="_blank">http://www.eife-l.org/publications/standards/interop/europasscv/europassCV-HRXML-AP</a></span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>We have been working together for a long time to ensure
harmonization between HR-XML and Liberty specifications so I would strongly
agree that we take the EuropassCV-HRXML-AP as critical input to the process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Sampo as already prepare a draft proposal to publish it as an
Liberty HR ID-SIS, this draft is actually hosted on Concordia website:</span><span
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color:black'><a
href="http://www.projectconcordia.org/index.php/Image:Draft-symlabs-id-hr-xml-1.0-01.pdf"
target="_blank">http://www.projectconcordia.org/index.php/Image:Draft-symlabs-id-hr-xml-1.0-01.pdf</a></span><span
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color:black'>(I will move it soon to this SIG, we will have to update it
to take into account last modifications on the HR-XML profile coming from
the Universal CV project)</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>It will be pretty straight forward for Sampo to submit this into
TEG for formal review and standardization.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>What it is the internal process Brett in Liberty to submit it for
publication/review by the TEG ?</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
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color:black'>How much time will it take ?</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
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color:black'>We are facing the issue in this SIG that both the Cedefop Europass
CV model will be updated soon as well as the HR-XML specs, so a revision of the
actual profile will be then needed... We have to take the decision of
publishing quickly the actual profile to increase its usage or directly working
on a new profile (so all your information could help to take during the vote
that I expect could take place next week).</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
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color:black'>The process that Joni will cover with you in more detail is very
streamlined for a recognized standards-setting organization. This is not
a time consuming process and I expect the revisions will not take a lot of
effort, but I should let Sampo speak to that since he's the editor of the
profile.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>Snorri is there the same kind of process for profile we want to
use in addition to OpenID Attribute Exchange Specs ?</span><span
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color:black'>Snorri, are you familiar with the open source work going on in
OpenLiberty.org and the Higgins Project related to bootstrapping an OpenID
authentication into an ID-WSF attribute exchange? Asa Hardcastle
demonstrated this using all open source code at the most recent IIW. I
think this is a potential way of including OpenID authentications in the HR EDU
deployment scenario without incurring all the additional overhead of
re-creating the data structures already created in HR-XML and ID-SIS-HR-XML.
Is this a reasonable path forward?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Are there specific requirements/template we have to use ?</span><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>(for example to use it with Liberty Web Service Framework there is
some additional information in Sampo's document related to namespace available
request in Soap/Wsdl, XPath expressions...)</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>While digging more on this it seems that this is managed by the
AXSchema.org community (<a href="http://www.axschema.org/" target="_blank">http://www.axschema.org/</a>),
is it right ?</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>If yes as they are not using XML schema and recreating common base
type/attributes (i.e. address) which are already very well define in the HR-XML
specs this may impose us to recreate all the HR-XML types/structure used
in Europass CV using the AXSchema 'way of life' ? (I guess this should be
the same with Microsoft Infocard, I will look at it)...</span><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>This is not impossible and is not a so long work but this
will lead to a new Europass CV structure specific to OpenID that we
have to maintain with more work needed to build a bridge for CV data exchange
between LA and OpenID services.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>See above for an alternative approach that brings the two protocol
families closer together than this re-creation approach would.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Brett is this last point already studied in other community such
as the Concordia project or other Liberty SIG ?</span><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Given what I've outlined above, I think the answer is clearly
"yes". Moreover, I think this is work that we could engage
Concordia & OSIS on as use-cases to demonstrate at the next big public
interoperability event they are co-producing at the RSA Security Conference
next year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>Best regards,</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>Marc</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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