[OpenID - Eu] [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile publication ?

Fri Oct 17 17:00:38 UTC 2008

FYI:

Let me introduce the group to Asa Hardcastle of Zenn New Media (also a
founder of OpenLiberty.org) since Asa has done this sort of thing before,
using all open source libraries (some that he wrote himself).

Asa, please review this thread for context.  You can get even more context
by talking with Sampo.  In short, this is a large-scale deployment
opportunity which seems to be in need of an OpenID bootstrap into ID-WSF to
support Sampo's new ID-SIS-HR-XML spec.

Pierre & Marc, even though it's true that these personal attribute services
consumers/providers would have to support ID-WSF in addition to OpenID, the
good news is that all of this stuff is currently available in open source
and has been demonstrated to interoperate already (at least on the consumer
side, not sure about the provider side ID-WSF libraries).

P.S.

Joni, would you subscribe Asa to this list?

On Oct 17, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Marc Van Coillie wrote:

Hi Brett,

many thanks for your input, I'm agree with you the "bootstraping" proposal
sounds an efficient way to go in a first step in order to support HR-XML CV
exchange using OpenID authentication without recreating all the data
structure.

But in this scenario all OpenID personal attribute consummer or provider
services have to support the ID-WSF in addition to OpenID.

Pierre could you ask Damien to check if it will be possible to tune/adapt
the Larpe Identity Proxy module used in CV Universel so that it could be
used with also with OpenID authentication in addition to SAML 2 ? This may
solve a part of the issue for all attribute consummer services.

Best regards,

Marc

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From: Brett McDowell <mailto:brett at projectliberty.org> 

To: Britta Glade <mailto:britta at projectliberty.org> 

Cc: Marc Van Coillie <mailto:marc.van.coillie at eife-l.org>  ; Joni
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Subject: Re: [Sig-hr-edu] What is the process for SIG ID-SIS profile
publication ?

On Oct 16, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Britta Glade wrote:

Marc--

copying this to Joni, who manages all processes for Liberty (among many
other things!).  I know Brett's heads down on several projects, and wanted
to be sure you got a speedy answer.  Joni can help there. Thanks.

Agreed.  Joni can work with you on the process for taking the Concordia
document and getting that submitted into TEG (I would expect this would be
done by Sampo as a Symlabs contribution).

That said, I wanted to address a few of your questions below...

--b.

2008/10/16 Marc Van Coillie <marc.van.coillie at eife-l.org>

Hi Brett and Snorri,

In order to prepare next week meeting, I need some short information
regarding your organisations internal process for profiling and submiting
new proposals that could (should :-)) be produce in this group.

I think having Joni provide you with our Document Policy and SIG Policy,
along with her overview and recommendations on practical next steps, should
provide you with all you need for the meeting.

We could take the example of the Europass CV which is quite well defined now
in terms of data structure and XML schema binding.

http://www.eife-l.org/publications/standards/interop/europasscv/europassCV-H
RXML-AP

We have been working together for a long time to ensure harmonization
between HR-XML and Liberty specifications so I would strongly agree that we
take the EuropassCV-HRXML-AP as critical input to the process.

Sampo as already prepare a draft proposal to publish it as an Liberty HR
ID-SIS, this draft is actually hosted on Concordia website:

http://www.projectconcordia.org/index.php/Image:Draft-symlabs-id-hr-xml-1.0-
01.pdf

(I will move it soon to this SIG, we will have to update it to take into
account last modifications on the HR-XML profile coming from the Universal
CV project)

It will be pretty straight forward for Sampo to submit this into TEG for
formal review and standardization.

What it is the internal process Brett in Liberty to submit it for
publication/review by the TEG ?

How much time will it take ?

We are facing the issue in this SIG that both the Cedefop Europass CV model
will be updated soon as well as the HR-XML specs, so a revision of the
actual profile will be then needed... We have to take the decision of
publishing quickly the actual profile to increase its usage or directly
working on a new profile (so all your information could help to take during
the vote that I expect could take place next week).

The process that Joni will cover with you in more detail is very streamlined
for a recognized standards-setting organization.  This is not a time
consuming process and I expect the revisions will not take a lot of effort,
but I should let Sampo speak to that since he's the editor of the profile.

Snorri is there the same kind of process for profile we want to use in
addition to OpenID Attribute Exchange Specs ?

http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0.html

Snorri, are you familiar with the open source work going on in
OpenLiberty.org and the Higgins Project related to bootstrapping an OpenID
authentication into an ID-WSF attribute exchange?  Asa Hardcastle
demonstrated this using all open source code at the most recent IIW.  I
think this is a potential way of including OpenID authentications in the HR
EDU deployment scenario without incurring all the additional overhead of
re-creating the data structures already created in HR-XML and ID-SIS-HR-XML.
Is this a reasonable path forward?

Are there specific requirements/template we have to use ?

(for example to use it with Liberty Web Service Framework there is some
additional information in Sampo's document related to namespace available
request in Soap/Wsdl, XPath expressions...)

While digging more on this it seems that this is managed by the AXSchema.org
community (http://www.axschema.org/), is it right ?

If yes as they are not using XML schema and recreating common base
type/attributes (i.e. address) which are already very well define in the
HR-XML specs this may impose us to recreate all the HR-XML types/structure
used in Europass CV using the AXSchema 'way of life' ? (I guess this should
be the same with Microsoft Infocard, I will look at it)...

This is not impossible and is not a so long work but this will lead to a new
Europass CV structure specific to OpenID that we have to maintain with more
work needed to build a bridge for CV data exchange between LA and OpenID
services.

See above for an alternative approach that brings the two protocol families
closer together than this re-creation approach would.

Brett is this last point already studied in other community such as the
Concordia project or other Liberty SIG ?

Given what I've outlined above, I think the answer is clearly "yes".
Moreover, I think this is work that we could engage Concordia & OSIS on as
use-cases to demonstrate at the next big public interoperability event they
are co-producing at the RSA Security Conference next year.

Best regards,

Marc

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