[OpenID - Eu] Mission Statement

Fri Jun 1 14:02:57 UTC 2007

Snorri,

Ok, now I understand. I didn't knew that. It is more difficult to  
combine protecting the trademark and certifing. (But not  
impossible :-) )

I wan't people to know that when a OpenID provider is member of the  
OpenID Europe Organisation that that provider is safe.
That's what i would to accomplish with the certication programme.

Greetings,

Chris

On 1-jun-2007, at 15:53, Snorri wrote:

> Chris,
>
> The EU OIDF is owner of the Trademark OpenID in Europe.
> You can look http://www.icimarques.com/ or http://oami.europa.eu/en/ 
> default.htm for example
> I protected the mark to prevent that a company does not assert the  
> OpenID mark.
> (for another commercial use). But it's complicated because there is  
> already much company in Europe which uses "OpenID" (but not for the  
> framework).
> For example in France : www.openid.fr, in Germany : www.openid.de   
> and in Romania OpenID.ro (close) that wants to make a lawsuit...
> But we have good lawyers who works (And by the end of the year  
> 2007, all should be ok).
>
> But it's necessary to distinguish protection from the mark of the use.
> For The use (copyright license, IPR policies...), there should be  
> only one rule for worldwide!
> And the OIDF (US) worked much for that... David can better speak  
> about it! The draft is finish David? ;-)
>
> Yes I see your point of view, but you speak about OP or RP? (for RP  
> I think?)
> But concretely, I don't understand what you want to say by  
> "certification"?
>
> Sincerely
> -Snorri
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : eu-bounces at openid.net [mailto:eu-bounces at openid.net] De la  
> part de Chris Obdam
> Envoyé : vendredi 1 juin 2007 14:37
> À : Recordon, David
> Cc : Snorri; eu at openid.net
> Objet : Re: [OpenID - Eu] Mission Statement
>
> David,
>
> I can the problems with mixing trademarks etc. with a certification
> programme. But the EU OpenID is not the owner of the trademark.
>
> As I see it, the 'global' OpenID foundation is respondible for that.
> So the EU OpenID can offer some extra services like a certfication
> programme, for free as I see it.
> A lot of people don not understand how to use testing tools etc. A
> simple certificate could be better to understand and with such a
> programme we can demand the connected providers to use a 'standard'
> implementation.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Chris
>
>
> On 1-jun-2007, at 2:31, Recordon, David wrote:
>
>> Yes, this was a lot of the reasoning behind us not having a
>> certification program, wanting to make sure the organization
>> remained neutral and it didn't seem like anyone had to pay money to
>> use OpenID.
>>
>> What we're more looking at is creating testing tools so that people
>> can have an official way to make sure their RP or OP correctly
>> implements the protocol.  The main difference we see between this
>> and certification is that no one is paying money to use the tools
>> nor there be a list of "compliant" providers.
>>
>> We just see it as hard to mix owning things like trademarks,
>> domains, etc with a paid certification program since there is the
>> potential for people to think they *have to* pay the certification
>> fee to use OpenID.
>>
>> --David
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Snorri [mailto:snorri at snorri.eu]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:20 PM
>> To: Recordon, David; 'Andrew Tominson'; 'Chris Obdam'
>> Cc: eu at openid.net
>> Subject: RE: [OpenID - Eu] Mission Statement
>> Importance: High
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thank you Andrew for your good resume,
>>
>> Chris, of the beginning, I thought that the foundation was to
>> propose a certification for the "best" providers (or relying party),
>> But today, my opinion is that the foundation must be always
>> neutral! Is not the first objective! (Later it will be always
>> possible to think of it, yes!),
>>
>> The Mission Statement of OpenID Europe Foundation is to push for
>> the "implementations" in the maximum of websites. Because true work
>> is here! (To become OP is easy ;-))
>> I will appreciate that all your ideas and initiatives go in this
>> direction... (I work much to convince)
>>
>> What do you think about it?
>>
>> -Snorri
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : eu-bounces at openid.net [mailto:eu-bounces at openid.net] De la
>> part de Recordon, David
>> Envoyé : mercredi 30 mai 2007 17:34
>> À : Andrew Tominson; eu at openid.net
>> Objet : Re: [OpenID - Eu] Mission Statement
>>
>> Hey Andrew,
>> Those seem quite reasonable to me.
>>
>> One of the other things we did was explicitly define things which
>> we would not do to help scope the organization.  For example:
>>  - Approve OpenID specifications
>>  - Certify OpenID providers or implementations
>>
>> Just a good way to keep the organization growing from what it was
>> intended to do by accident.
>>
>> --David
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: eu-bounces at openid.net [mailto:eu-bounces at openid.net] On
>> Behalf Of Andrew Tominson
>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:54 AM
>> To: eu at openid.net
>> Subject: [OpenID - Eu] Mission Statement
>>
>> Had a go at the mission statement and put together some bullet
>> points...
>>
>> * The purpose of the OpenID Europe Foundation is to raise the
>> profile of OpenID for people within the European Union.
>>
>> * Through contact with both implementers and the general public, we
>> increase awareness, ease deployment and promote OpenID in a way
>> everyone can understand.
>>
>> * We are active within the wider OpenID community and through
>> contact with founders and developers, we are the European voice of
>> OpenID and represent our members when key decisions are being made.
>>
>> * We advise businesses to help them deliver OpenID-compatible
>> products to maximise the value of the technology for the general
>> public.
>>
>> Just my €0.02 worth, but as I said before I am new here ;)
>>
>> Andrew
>>
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