<html><body><span style="font-size:12px">DADE CG,</span><div><span style="font-size:12px"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px">Below, please find the meeting minutes from April 2, 2025. They are also posted on the wiki.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px">I’m personally very excited to see the energy from Australia on our most recent call. At the OIDF and IIW meetings next week in Mountain View, I plan to spend some time with Dima and Mike Kiser to talk more about the work happening in Australia and how we organize ourselves. I’ll share more when I have further details to share.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px">Respectfully,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px">-dhs</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px">##### </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-bottom:16px;font-variant-ligatures:normal;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin-top:0px!important"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="color:rgb(31,35,40);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,"Segoe UI","Noto Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji";font-size:12px">Attendees</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><li style="color:rgb(31,35,40);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,"Segoe UI","Noto Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji";box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Dean H. Saxe (Beyond Identity)</span></li><li style="color:rgb(31,35,40);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,"Segoe UI","Noto Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji";box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Jo Spencer (Sezoo)</span></li><li style="color:rgb(31,35,40);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,"Segoe UI","Noto Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji";box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Miki Brotzler (NAB/IDPro)</span></li><li style="color:rgb(31,35,40);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,"Segoe UI","Noto Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji";box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Tim L</span></li><li style="color:rgb(31,35,40);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,"Segoe UI","Noto Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji";box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Mike Kiser (SailPoint)</span></li><li style="color:rgb(31,35,40);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,"Segoe UI","Noto Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji";box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Linden Dawson</span></li><li style="color:rgb(31,35,40);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,"Segoe UI","Noto Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji";box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Victor Lu</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><font color="#1f2328" face="-apple-system, system-ui, Segoe UI, Noto Sans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji"><span style="font-size:12px">Dima Postnikov</span></font><br></li></ul></li></ul><div class="markdown-heading" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(31,35,40);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,"Segoe UI","Noto Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji";font-variant-ligatures:normal;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><h3 class="heading-element" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:24px;margin-bottom:16px;line-height:1.25"><span style="font-size:12px">2025-04-02 Agenda</span></h3><a id="user-content-2025-04-02-agenda" class="anchor" aria-label="Permalink: 2025-04-02 Agenda" href="https://github.com/openid/death-and-the-digital-estate/wiki/2025%E2%80%9004%E2%80%9002-Minutes#2025-04-02-agenda" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(9,105,218);float:left;padding-right:4px;margin:auto;line-height:1;display:flex;width:28px;height:28px;border-radius:6px;opacity:0"><span style="font-size:12px"></span></a></div><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:16px;color:rgb(31,35,40);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,"Segoe UI","Noto Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji";font-variant-ligatures:normal;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:16px;margin-bottom:16px"><span style="font-size:12px">Welcome and antitrust policy reminder</span></p></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:16px;margin-bottom:16px"><span style="font-size:12px">Note taker: Tim</span></p></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:16px;margin-bottom:16px"><span style="font-size:12px">Agenda bashing</span></p></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:16px;margin-bottom:16px"><span style="font-size:12px">Updates from Dean</span></p></li></ul><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:16px;color:rgb(31,35,40);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,"Segoe UI","Noto Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji";font-variant-ligatures:normal;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Dean spoke w Thanatologist colleague (Michelle D.)</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Others consider discovering and reaching out to similar domain expertise</span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Background work continues on OPEN IF foundation board mtg - will be present, in-person</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Please connect there is attending</span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Will speak w Lawyer this week - hoping will take an interest in DADE</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Mike K - colleague is a chaplain - may be available to participate in panel</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Miki B is a a civil celebrant (sp?)</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Link below to proposal that Dean has started</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Current SOTA - major digital platform vendors</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Specialized service providers in DADE specific svcs</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Differential cultural ethos and traditions around these events</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Also lookign to connect with real world experiences that can speak to cultural</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Miki B - Death Festival - first global event, Nov. 2nd, Day of the Dead.(Sydney?) (<a href="https://deathfest.sydney/new-products-1/p/3eqore1gptq2qepiq2eikmhhjl3k7k-d2a9p" rel="nofollow" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(9,105,218)">https://deathfest.sydney/new-products-1/p/3eqore1gptq2qepiq2eikmhhjl3k7k-d2a9p</a> )</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Aligning release of paper w Cybersecurity Month, Athuenticate, other timely events</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Heather F and Dean co-authors but accepting contributions from others</span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Austrailia Working sub-group updates</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Inspired by closing Identiverse panel of last year kicked-off local group (A...)</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Identified challenge in Australia and some local context and issues to address</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Pls advise/discuss how these local insights can be reflected in the DADE assets/material</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Recently experienced practical case - bank customer correcting erroneous death status</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">in the course of merging banks</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Develop case study from this?</span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">DigitalID Bill last Sept, other new regs/ policy developments - impacing data retention</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Kinds of records, time-frames, family rights/access...</span></li></ul></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Mike K - encourage many such local sub-groups to emerge and engage in support of DADE</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Identify and address entirely new and different aspects</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Other Asia-region parties expressing interest?</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Japan - yes (Dean contacts)</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Victor - yes</span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Hopeful for continuing geographic / regional representation in DADE</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Scams, fraud - significant concern - inspiring engagement among banks / Financial svcs</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Sovrin Guardianship WG participation addressed related issues, also drivers lic. WG</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">National Death Notification Service exists - much opportunity for improvement</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><a href="https://deathnotification.gov.au/" rel="nofollow" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(9,105,218);font-size:12px">https://deathnotification.gov.au/</a></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Innovation / "Death Tech" startups, etc. presently on rise</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Let's collect examples of these</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Banks will face difficulty with proliferation of disparate such channels/services</span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Can we gain perspectives of Indigenous communities in Australia?</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Observed may be a higher sensitivity to images depicting/addressing death</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Clinical language may be suitable at times - learning sensitivity to dictinctions</span></li></ul></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Collecting real-world incidents relevant to DADE scope / issues, as appear in news, etc.</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">IIW in California next week - several DADE participants in attendance</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">George F. proposes IIW sessions related to DADE matters</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">This event may be an opportunity to progress from Comm. WG toward standards/prototyping</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Reach out to Jo S. [left call] to speak to other IIW particpation opps.</span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Thanatologist contact offers consulting services and authored a book, podcast..</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">[Book Link]</span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">recent article by principal of https:<a href="http://www.eternal.me">www.eternal.me</a> - commercial planning service</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">[Link]</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Dean will be speaking with her soon</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Data custodian for many online platforms/services (bsky, Dropbox, Netflix, Reddit..)</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Concerned that this may entail anti-patterns</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">May act as digitally-enabled executor - rather than automated/API</span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Nat'l Law Review article - valuing the average digital assets of Americans (USD 178k)</span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Survey biased to High-net worth population (?)</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Interested to learn of other such Digital Assets Valuation figures</span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Movie produced by... ? addressing relevant issues</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">George F. some LinkedIn posts recently - Kantara Initiative, OPENID-KYC Authority Claim</span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Defer continued Use Case development to next call</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Tim L will reiterate invite to Tim R. to participate in Identiverse panel</span></li></ul><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;color:rgb(31,35,40);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,"Segoe UI","Noto Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji";font-variant-ligatures:normal;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin-bottom:0px!important"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:16px;margin-bottom:16px"><span style="font-size:12px">White Paper & Planning Guide for Cyber Security Awareness Month</span></p><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n6sSsQ-pmWeXlLfepg2X3YWgQd4RGXA1_q9uSrNUeQc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.v46rjdbet3x3" rel="nofollow" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(9,105,218)">Proposal</a> has been delivered to the OpenID Foundation. Waiting for confirmation to proceed next week following OIDF board meeting.</span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:16px;margin-bottom:16px"><span style="font-size:12px">Aussie working subgroup update</span></p></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:16px;margin-bottom:16px"><span style="font-size:12px">Review recent articles / links posted in Slack</span></p><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Michele Desmond - <a href="https://ongriefanddeath.com/" rel="nofollow" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(9,105,218)">https://ongriefanddeath.com/</a></span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DKP5YQTD" rel="nofollow" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(9,105,218)">https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DKP5YQTD</a></span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Podcasts <a href="https://deathandotherstories.com/" rel="nofollow" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(9,105,218)">https://deathandotherstories.com/</a></span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">National Law Review article - <a href="https://natlawreview.com/article/5-ways-estate-attorneys-can-bring-order-their-clients-digital-asset-chaos" rel="nofollow" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(9,105,218)">https://natlawreview.com/article/5-ways-estate-attorneys-can-bring-order-their-clients-digital-asset-chaos</a></span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><a href="https://eternal.me/" rel="nofollow" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(9,105,218);font-size:12px">https://eternal.me/</a></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Survey valuing digital assets of Americans (note the survey is high net worth individuals) <a href="https://www.bmt.com/news-insights-events/bryn-mawr-trust-survey/" rel="nofollow" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(9,105,218)">https://www.bmt.com/news-insights-events/bryn-mawr-trust-survey/</a></span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Identiverse 2022 presentation - <a href="https://identiverse.com/video/digital-after-life-the-intersection-of-technology-law-and-death/" rel="nofollow" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(9,105,218)">https://identiverse.com/video/digital-after-life-the-intersection-of-technology-law-and-death/</a></span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Kantara Initiative work on Subject Delegation of Authority - <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGJkFPUuHtj_hFJsOrEQ7qHxTfBocPmN/edit" rel="nofollow" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(9,105,218)">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGJkFPUuHtj_hFJsOrEQ7qHxTfBocPmN/edit</a></span><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Related to the delegation effort happening in eKYC/IDA WG and the OpenID Authority claim <a href="https://openid.bitbucket.io/ekyc/openid-authority.html" rel="nofollow" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(9,105,218)">https://openid.bitbucket.io/ekyc/openid-authority.html</a></span></li></ul></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:16px;margin-bottom:16px"><span style="font-size:12px">Capturing Use Cases - 10 minutes</span></p><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Skipped due to time</span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:16px;margin-bottom:16px"><span style="font-size:12px">Identiverse - DADE panel needs a lawyer, if at all possible</span></p><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li style="box-sizing:border-box"><span style="font-size:12px">Tim has reached out to Tim R.</span></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><span style="font-size:12px">Dean reaching out to lawyers, thanatologists to find a partner.</span></li></ul></li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:16px;margin-bottom:16px"><span style="font-size:12px">AOB</span></p></li></ul><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px">--<br></span><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px">Dean H. Saxe, <a href="https://idpro.org/cidpro/">CIDPRO</a> (he/him)</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px">Principal Engineer</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px">Office of the CTO</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px">Beyond Identity</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12px"><a href="mailto:dean.saxe@beyondidentity.com">dean.saxe@beyondidentity.com</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12px"><br></span><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>