<html><body><div dir="ltr">I have posted the March 5 meeting minutes at <a href="https://github.com/openid/death-and-the-digital-estate/wiki/2025%E2%80%9003%E2%80%9005-Minutes">https://github.com/openid/death-and-the-digital-estate/wiki/2025%E2%80%9003%E2%80%9005-Minutes</a>. They are included below, as well.<div><br></div><div><div>### 2025-03-05 Minutes</div><div><br></div><div>* Attendees</div><div> * Dean H. Saxe (Beyond Identity)</div><div> * Eve Maler (Venn Factory)</div><div> * Mike Kiser (SailPoint)</div><div> * Alex B Chalmers</div><div> * George Fletcher (Independent)</div><div> * Victor Lu (Independent)</div><div> * Tim Lloyd</div><div> * Dima Postnikov</div><div><br></div><div>### 2025-03-05 Agenda</div><div><br></div><div>* Welcome and antitrust policy reminder </div><div><br></div><div>* Note taker: Eve</div><div><br></div><div>* Agenda bashing</div><div><br></div><div>* Review recent articles / links posted in Slack</div><div> * NokBox - <a href="https://www.thenokbox.com/">https://www.thenokbox.com/</a></div><div> * Physical vs. digital place to store data for others later</div><div> * Digital Legacy Association - <a href="https://digitallegacyassociation.org">https://digitallegacyassociation.org</a></div><div> * They have been running a survey and offer some handy resources</div><div> * No response to Dean's outreach (yet) - Gareth will try</div><div><br></div><div>* Capturing Use Cases - 10 minutes</div><div> * OSW unconference on "on behalf of" semantics - stay tuned for Mark H's notes</div><div> * Any contributions around this today?</div><div> * George: Event-triggered delegation with associated revocation of authorization</div><div> * How related people prove their relationship is a subset</div><div> * Eve mentioned the [HEART Profile](<a href="https://openid.net/wg/heart/">https://openid.net/wg/heart/</a>) of OAuth, OIDC, and UMA and the *btg* claim "break the glass"</div><div> * this comes from HL7</div><div> * this is a trigger to enable some action to be taken</div><div> * this is a form of attribute based access control, e.g. an emergency responder can access the data of an individual who is unconscious from an accident. Later there is an audit trail </div><div> * Mark Haine's authority spec in eKYC WG may be related</div><div> * Capturing and testing conditions for state changes</div><div> * Modeling these relationships and their changes is hard and subtle, implementing even more so</div><div> * A court might need to provide a definitive answer to what change should be effectuated, in some cases</div><div> * Might wills end up being more "executable" as code?</div><div> * Certain physical triggers such as the presence of a MedicAlert bracelet could allow discovery of the guardian/delegate</div><div> * Would need some other controls, such as activation / validation by an EMT or emergency - threat model for auto-delegation</div><div><br></div><div>* Terminology & Cultural Sensitivity</div><div> * How do we manage the differences between how different people & cultures discuss the passing of an individual?</div><div> * "Going home" language has a religious context that not everyone may be familiar with</div><div> * Can we define clinical terms (medical)? Legal terminology?</div><div> * Delegation may be a space where cultural context is helpful - who is delegated to may be dependent</div><div> * Mike K has a colleague that is a hospital chaplain that might be able to help us understand how to discuss these topics. He'll ask her to join us at a future date</div><div> * perhaps we need a survey to capture how people discuss death and dying?</div><div> * Dean to reach out to a friend who is a death doula</div><div> * Do we know any people in hospice care?</div><div> * Collect perspectives from right-to-die jurisdictions? E.g. [Canada](<a href="https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html">https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html</a>)</div><div> * Ultimately develop a survey?</div><div> * Tim suggests some basic categories:</div><div> * Affective (emotional) valences - e.g. celebrating with a wake vs. being solemn</div><div> * Required events</div><div> * Timing of event</div><div><br></div><div>* Outlining the White Paper for Cyber Security Awareness Month </div><div> * [Proposal](<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n6sSsQ-pmWeXlLfepg2X3YWgQd4RGXA1_q9uSrNUeQc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.v46rjdbet3x3">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n6sSsQ-pmWeXlLfepg2X3YWgQd4RGXA1_q9uSrNUeQc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.v46rjdbet3x3</a>)</div><div> * High level content</div><div> * Blog - smaller, focused pieces</div><div> * Whitepaper - Long form</div><div><br></div><div>* Identiverse - DADE panel needs a lawyer, if at all possible</div><div> * Eve to reach out to Scott David [DONE]</div><div> * Tim has reached out to Tim R.</div><div><br></div><div>* AOB</div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">--<br><div dir="ltr">Dean H. Saxe, <a href="https://idpro.org/cidpro/">CIDPRO</a> (he/him)</div><div dir="ltr">Principal Engineer</div><div dir="ltr">Office of the CTO</div><div dir="ltr">Beyond Identity</div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:dean.saxe@beyondidentity.com">dean.saxe@beyondidentity.com</a></div><div><br><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>