[Openid-digital-directives] Meeting Notes - May 16, 2025

[Dean Saxe]

I have pushed the meeting notes
<https://github.com/openid/death-and-the-digital-estate/wiki/2025%E2%80%9005%E2%80%9016-Minutes>
for May 16, 2025 to the DADE Wiki.  A copy of the notes is below.


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   Attendees
   - Dean Saxe (Beyond Identity)
      - George Fletcher (Practical Identity LLC)
      - Tim L
      - Przemek Praszczalek
      - Mike Kiser (SailPoint)
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   Note taker: Mike Kiser
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   Welcome and antitrust policy reminder
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   Upcoming meetings
   - 2025-05-28 3:00 PM PDT
      - 2025-06-13 7:00 AM PDT
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   Agenda bashing?
   - George - breadth and reach of digital footprint, how do we help people
      figure out what it is?
         - Received an email from the local road tolling company
         - How does someone trying to clean up a person's affairs determine
         the breadth of the digital estate?
         - Access to email/SMS is a good way to discover this
         - but access is dependent upon the relationship
         - what if the relationship is rocky? What if the relationship has
         elements of dishonesty?
         - George thinks impersonation remains one of the best tools we
         have to discover breadth/depth of the digital estate
         - Impersonation is easier, presumably - outside of impersonation,
         how do you discover the range...and what they have at the time
      - Dean - file and issue so that we can track that idea / concept
         - Early september needs to be a near final draft for review by the
         board
      - Victor - what about something like open source? How do we protect
      and mantain that oversight?
      - Dean - seems like that should be in scope as well, please file an
      issue
      - Dean - Let's talk about the latest news:
         - see link beflow for the yahoo article about the victim
         testifying in AI form
         - Not the guy himself, but a recreation presented by the family
         - "Not effect in law" (Tim in chat)
         - Where's personal consent in this discussion?
         - the family is using the AI voice as a sock puppet
      - Jean -
         - Associated with the AD of the State of Michigan
         - No precedent - so nothing to restrict it
         - Admissibility to the trial record is questionable
         - Arizona law would come into play?
      - Dean -
         - Odd to know that you're living in the future . . .
      - Mike -
         - What are the legal rights of the deceased?
      - Tim -
         - https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2652135
            - "Death Rights: Legal Personal Representatives of Deceased
            Authors and the Posthumous Exercise of Moral Rights"
         - Jean -
         - HAve to work with known powers here, rather than against them ,
         in order to make progress
         - There are IP / copyright laws here in play
         - Deep fake / image has not been allowed to be used (as opposoed
         to an add on to existing work)
      - George -
         - Family can claim that the deceased "would say" rather than
         recreation
      - Dean -
         - Identiverse update: Elizabeth Wharton is joining us
         - let's talk about issues
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         https://github.com/openid/death-and-the-digital-estate/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3ACyberSecAwarenessMonth
      - Przemek -
         - Recovery is difficult - using a password-secured Word
         document... even with 1Password & Trustworthy (for example)
         - "How to do recovery" guide for the family
         - Issues that mobile-only users or households face?
         - Some providers only support now Deviced-based Auth-N (which is
         problematic when you get logged out of both devices due to
time limits, app
         refresh, or system updates, and the User has to contact the
Call Center
         [vulnerability])
      - Dean -
         - New phones / tech every year means that key / access recovery is
         important and essential
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   Review recent articles / links posted in Slack
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      https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-speaks-killer-beyond-grave-151228539.html
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   Identiverse
   - DADE panel has added Elizabeth Wharton
      <https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabeth-wharton/>, Founder, Silver Key
      Strategies
      - Please send Dean / Mike any questions that can be covered in panel
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   Eve M met with PAYPERS at EIC, we'll share further information when it
   has been published
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   Planning Guide for Cyber Security Awareness Month
   - Dean authored a first draft outline
      <https://github.com/openid/death-and-the-digital-estate/blob/main/cybersecawareness2025/planning_guide_outline.md>
for
      the planning guide
         - Review draft outline
         - Identify areas for improvement, volunteers to produce PRs
         - Review Open Issues for CyberSecAwarenessMonth
         <https://github.com/openid/death-and-the-digital-estate/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3ACyberSecAwarenessMonth>
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   AOB


Thank you,
-dhs
--
Dean H. Saxe, CIDPRO <https://idpro.org/cidpro/> (he/him)
Principal Engineer
Office of the CTO
Beyond Identity
dean.saxe at beyondidentity.com
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