[Openid-digital-directives] March 5 meeting minutes

[Dean Saxe]

I have posted the March 5 meeting minutes at
https://github.com/openid/death-and-the-digital-estate/wiki/2025%E2%80%9003%E2%80%9005-Minutes.
They are included below, as well.

### 2025-03-05 Minutes

* Attendees
  * Dean H. Saxe (Beyond Identity)
  * Eve Maler (Venn Factory)
  * Mike Kiser (SailPoint)
  * Alex B Chalmers
  * George Fletcher (Independent)
  * Victor Lu (Independent)
  * Tim Lloyd
  * Dima Postnikov

### 2025-03-05 Agenda

* Welcome and antitrust policy reminder

* Note taker: Eve

* Agenda bashing

* Review recent articles / links posted in Slack
  * NokBox - https://www.thenokbox.com/
      * Physical vs. digital place to store data for others later
  * Digital Legacy Association - https://digitallegacyassociation.org
      * They have been running a survey and offer some handy resources
      * No response to Dean's outreach (yet) - Gareth will try

* Capturing Use Cases - 10 minutes
    * OSW unconference on "on behalf of" semantics - stay tuned for Mark
H's notes
    * Any contributions around this today?
        * George: Event-triggered delegation with associated revocation of
authorization
            * How related people prove their relationship is a subset
            * Eve mentioned the [HEART Profile](https://openid.net/wg/heart/)
of OAuth, OIDC, and UMA and the *btg* claim "break the glass"
                * this comes from HL7
                * this is a trigger to enable some action to be taken
                * this is a form of attribute based access control, e.g. an
emergency responder can access the data of an individual who is unconscious
from an accident.  Later there is an audit trail
                * Mark Haine's authority spec in eKYC WG may be related
            * Capturing and testing conditions for state changes
        * Modeling these relationships and their changes is hard and
subtle, implementing even more so
        * A court might need to provide a definitive answer to what change
should be effectuated, in some cases
        * Might wills end up being more "executable" as code?
        * Certain physical triggers such as the presence of a MedicAlert
bracelet could allow discovery of the guardian/delegate
        * Would need some other controls, such as activation / validation
by an EMT or emergency - threat model for auto-delegation

* Terminology & Cultural Sensitivity
  * How do we manage the differences between how different people &
cultures discuss the passing of an individual?
      * "Going home" language has a religious context that not everyone may
be familiar with
      * Can we define clinical terms (medical)? Legal terminology?
      * Delegation may be a space where cultural context is helpful - who
is delegated to may be dependent
      * Mike K has a colleague that is a hospital chaplain that might be
able to help us understand how to discuss these topics. He'll ask her to
join us at a future date
      * perhaps we need a survey to capture how people discuss death and
dying?
      * Dean to reach out to a friend who is a death doula
      * Do we know any people in hospice care?
      * Collect perspectives from right-to-die jurisdictions? E.g. [Canada](
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html
)
      * Ultimately develop a survey?
      * Tim suggests some basic categories:
          * Affective (emotional) valences - e.g. celebrating with a wake
vs. being solemn
          * Required events
          * Timing of event

* Outlining the White Paper for Cyber Security Awareness Month
    * [Proposal](
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n6sSsQ-pmWeXlLfepg2X3YWgQd4RGXA1_q9uSrNUeQc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.v46rjdbet3x3
)
    * High level content
    * Blog - smaller, focused pieces
    * Whitepaper - Long form

* Identiverse - DADE panel needs a lawyer, if at all possible
    * Eve to reach out to Scott David [DONE]
    * Tim has reached out to Tim R.

* AOB


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Dean H. Saxe, CIDPRO <https://idpro.org/cidpro/> (he/him)
Principal Engineer
Office of the CTO
Beyond Identity
dean.saxe at beyondidentity.com
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