[Openid-digital-directives] April 2 meeting minutes

Fri Apr 4 18:36:33 UTC 2025

DADE CG,

Below, please find the meeting minutes from April 2, 2025.  They are also
posted on the wiki.

I’m personally very excited to see the energy from Australia on our most
recent call.  At the OIDF and IIW meetings next week in Mountain View, I
plan to spend some time with Dima and Mike Kiser to talk more about the
work happening in Australia and how we organize ourselves.  I’ll share more
when I have further details to share.

Respectfully,

-dhs

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   - Attendees
      - Dean H. Saxe (Beyond Identity)
      - Jo Spencer (Sezoo)
      - Miki Brotzler (NAB/IDPro)
      - Tim L
      - Mike Kiser (SailPoint)
      - Linden Dawson
      - Victor Lu
      - Dima Postnikov

2025-04-02 Agenda
<https://github.com/openid/death-and-the-digital-estate/wiki/2025%E2%80%9004%E2%80%9002-Minutes#2025-04-02-agenda>

   -

   Welcome and antitrust policy reminder
   -

   Note taker: Tim
   -

   Agenda bashing
   -

   Updates from Dean

   - Dean spoke w Thanatologist colleague (Michelle D.)
      - Others consider discovering and reaching out to similar domain
      expertise
   - Background work continues on OPEN IF foundation board mtg - will be
   present, in-person
      - Please connect there is attending
   - Will speak w Lawyer this week - hoping will take an interest in DADE
   - Mike K - colleague is a chaplain - may be available to participate in
   panel
   - Miki B is a a civil celebrant (sp?)
   - Link below to proposal that Dean has started
      - Current SOTA - major digital platform vendors
      - Specialized service providers in DADE specific svcs
      - Differential cultural ethos and traditions around these events
      - Also lookign to connect with real world experiences that can speak
      to cultural
      - Miki B - Death Festival - first global event, Nov. 2nd, Day of the
      Dead.(Sydney?) (
      https://deathfest.sydney/new-products-1/p/3eqore1gptq2qepiq2eikmhhjl3k7k-d2a9p
       )
      - Aligning release of paper w Cybersecurity Month, Athuenticate,
      other timely events
      - Heather F and Dean co-authors but accepting contributions from
      others
   - Austrailia Working sub-group updates
      - Inspired by closing Identiverse panel of last year kicked-off local
      group (A...)
      - Identified challenge in Australia and some local context and issues
      to address
      - Pls advise/discuss how these local insights can be reflected in the
      DADE assets/material
      - Recently experienced practical case - bank customer correcting
      erroneous death status
         - in the course of merging banks
         - Develop case study from this?
      - DigitalID Bill last Sept, other new regs/ policy developments -
      impacing data retention
         - Kinds of records, time-frames, family rights/access...
      - Mike K - encourage many such local sub-groups to emerge and engage
   in support of DADE
      - Identify and address entirely new and different aspects
      - Other Asia-region parties expressing interest?
         - Japan - yes (Dean contacts)
         - Victor - yes
      - Hopeful for continuing geographic / regional representation in DADE
      - Scams, fraud - significant concern - inspiring engagement among
      banks / Financial svcs
      - Sovrin Guardianship WG participation addressed related issues, also
      drivers lic. WG
      - National Death Notification Service exists - much opportunity for
      improvement
         - https://deathnotification.gov.au/
      - Innovation / "Death Tech" startups, etc. presently on rise
         - Let's collect examples of these
         - Banks will face difficulty with proliferation of disparate such
         channels/services
      - Can we gain perspectives of Indigenous communities in Australia?
         - Observed may be a higher sensitivity to images
         depicting/addressing death
         - Clinical language may be suitable at times - learning
         sensitivity to dictinctions
      - Collecting real-world incidents relevant to DADE scope / issues, as
   appear in news, etc.
   - IIW in California next week - several DADE participants in attendance
      - George F. proposes IIW sessions related to DADE matters
      - This event may be an opportunity to progress from Comm. WG toward
      standards/prototyping
      - Reach out to Jo S. [left call] to speak to other IIW particpation
      opps.
   - Thanatologist contact offers consulting services and authored a book,
   podcast..
      - [Book Link]
   - recent article by principal of https:www.eternal.me - commercial
   planning service
      - [Link]
      - Dean will be speaking with her soon
      - Data custodian for many online platforms/services (bsky, Dropbox,
      Netflix, Reddit..)
         - Concerned that this may entail anti-patterns
         - May act as digitally-enabled executor - rather than automated/API
      - Nat'l Law Review article - valuing the average digital assets of
      Americans (USD 178k)
         - Survey biased to High-net worth population (?)
         - Interested to learn of other such Digital Assets Valuation
         figures
      - Movie produced by... ? addressing relevant issues
      - George F. some LinkedIn posts recently - Kantara Initiative,
      OPENID-KYC Authority Claim
   - Defer continued Use Case development to next call
   - Tim L will reiterate invite to Tim R. to participate in Identiverse
   panel

   -

   White Paper & Planning Guide for Cyber Security Awareness Month
   - Proposal
      <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n6sSsQ-pmWeXlLfepg2X3YWgQd4RGXA1_q9uSrNUeQc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.v46rjdbet3x3>
has
      been delivered to the OpenID Foundation. Waiting for confirmation to
      proceed next week following OIDF board meeting.
   -

   Aussie working subgroup update
   -

   Review recent articles / links posted in Slack
   - Michele Desmond - https://ongriefanddeath.com/
         - Book https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DKP5YQTD
         - Podcasts https://deathandotherstories.com/
      - National Law Review article -
      https://natlawreview.com/article/5-ways-estate-attorneys-can-bring-order-their-clients-digital-asset-chaos
         - https://eternal.me/
      - Survey valuing digital assets of Americans (note the survey is high
      net worth individuals)
      https://www.bmt.com/news-insights-events/bryn-mawr-trust-survey/
      - Identiverse 2022 presentation -
      https://identiverse.com/video/digital-after-life-the-intersection-of-technology-law-and-death/
      - Kantara Initiative work on Subject Delegation of Authority -
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGJkFPUuHtj_hFJsOrEQ7qHxTfBocPmN/edit
         - Related to the delegation effort happening in eKYC/IDA WG and
         the OpenID Authority claim
         https://openid.bitbucket.io/ekyc/openid-authority.html
      -

   Capturing Use Cases - 10 minutes
   - Skipped due to time
   -

   Identiverse - DADE panel needs a lawyer, if at all possible
   - Tim has reached out to Tim R.
      - Dean reaching out to lawyers, thanatologists to find a partner.
   -

   AOB

--
Dean H. Saxe, CIDPRO <https://idpro.org/cidpro/> (he/him)
Principal Engineer
Office of the CTO
Beyond Identity
dean.saxe at beyondidentity.com
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